That is ridiculous, you are just demonising a book in accordance with your personal biases then insisting that no one else should be permitted to read it to investigate the truth of your sayings.
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Do you believe there are lies in the Bible or Do you believe that the Whole Bible lies?
- Thread starter SonofSonofGod
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That is ridiculous, you are just demonising a book in accordance with your personal biases then insisting that no one else should be permitted to read it to investigate the truth of your sayings.
No. I am not doing anything of the sort. Let go your anger, your invocation of demons is quite uncalled for.
Quite to the contrary, millions of people read the Bible without any safety incident occurring, your invocation of danger is quite uncalled for.
Perhaps you have some anger issues to deal with?
Perhaps you have some anger issues to deal with?
Untrue. The Bible is the result of thousands of paper-cuts each and every day.
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
I'll attempt to offer more that wiki plugs and blogs with valid links, just need a few, ok?
You could do the work yourself ya know. But I'll effort to at least get you on a path...
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Ya laugh but those things are true
I believe there are many lies in bibles done by disbelievers
Who killed Jesus
Some Verse say not to drink wine
Others say drink some wine for stomach
There is obvious contrast
We can't ignore such contrast
The one says wine god for stomach
As we know and scientist proved that wine bad for stomach
It rises acidity in stomach and if acidity risen it does result ulcer
So this verse was added by people
As we know god orders are for human benefit
Many bible was found but the truth said
That the bible called barnaba is the real bible
It same current bible with different in some
Lines only
It also mentioned that prophet Mohammad
Will come and all of you must believe In him
Who killed Jesus
Some Verse say not to drink wine
Others say drink some wine for stomach
There is obvious contrast
We can't ignore such contrast
The one says wine god for stomach
As we know and scientist proved that wine bad for stomach
It rises acidity in stomach and if acidity risen it does result ulcer
So this verse was added by people
As we know god orders are for human benefit
Many bible was found but the truth said
That the bible called barnaba is the real bible
It same current bible with different in some
Lines only
It also mentioned that prophet Mohammad
Will come and all of you must believe In him
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
There is a massive difference between a lie and something that is not true.
I do not think any of the authors lied in the Bible. But much of it is not true in a factual sense, nor is is it intend to be understood that way.
As Levite said...
Much of the Christian New Testament falls into the same class of understandings. Though it contains much more opinion in the form of letters to congregations.
I do not think any of the authors lied in the Bible. But much of it is not true in a factual sense, nor is is it intend to be understood that way.
As Levite said...
Much of the Christian New Testament falls into the same class of understandings. Though it contains much more opinion in the form of letters to congregations.
KidatHeart
Member
Not necessarily. It's that I don't put it past people to do such a thing as manipulate religious writings.
Revelation 22:18-20
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. [20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
There's a lot of power at stake when it comes to religious beliefs. Power that people want to control (even by way of the occult). It wouldn't have taken much to try to deceive the masses, just the will to do it, a certain measure of cooperation, and a dose of secrecy.
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Do you believe there is petty rubbish in the OP or that the whole OP is petty rubbish?
KidatHeart
Member
It is presented as the Word of God. That's why I think it's dangerous, in a way.
2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness"
KidatHeart
Member
There is petty rubbish in the OP.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Timothy was not talking about the Bible.
It did not yet exist.
He was talking about all "Scripture" as a class.
There is very little in the Bible that that can not be used for teaching about religious concepts. When Jesus taught through parables, those stories were used as examples of situations, they were not factual. They taught through the concepts they expressed.
The Danger in the Bible is to believe it contains actual instructions from God.
Great post.
The Bible is really two, isn't it?
The so-called old testament, foundation of the abrahamic religions, islam and judaism, with all their glorification of this world, and their singularly worldly message: project power and eliminate, kill, all infidels, for they are as unclean as they are not worthy of concern or ultimate survival.
And the new testament, a tragic and convoluted collection, overriding the liberating message of Jesus and Paul -- to seek the divine within the person and above this unholy world -- with the usual abrahamic twaddle, that's given us a couple thousand more years of orthodox christian power worship.
The old testament can be dispensed with. There is nothing there but vengeance and hopeless, slavish, adherence to a higher power that is evil.
As for the new testament, whatever things in it are honest, just, pure, lovely -- and true -- yes, indeed, they are not lies -- but to unravel them requires wise counsel and forbearance.
The so-called old testament, foundation of the abrahamic religions, islam and judaism, with all their glorification of this world, and their singularly worldly message: project power and eliminate, kill, all infidels, for they are as unclean as they are not worthy of concern or ultimate survival.
And the new testament, a tragic and convoluted collection, overriding the liberating message of Jesus and Paul -- to seek the divine within the person and above this unholy world -- with the usual abrahamic twaddle, that's given us a couple thousand more years of orthodox christian power worship.
The old testament can be dispensed with. There is nothing there but vengeance and hopeless, slavish, adherence to a higher power that is evil.
As for the new testament, whatever things in it are honest, just, pure, lovely -- and true -- yes, indeed, they are not lies -- but to unravel them requires wise counsel and forbearance.
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Good post. Frubals!
Levite
Higher and Higher
That is one of the most simplistic, ignorant summaries of the Hebrew Scriptures I've seen in some time.
You might wish to actually read something about the Hebrew Bible before deciding that you know what is in it and what it means. Especially considering that most likely, if you read it, you didn't read it in the original, and you didn't read any of the commentaries springing from the tradition belonging to the people who authored those texts.
I trust the various translations are reasonably close enough.
The Amorites, Midian, and Amalekites among others were basically exterminated under orders from a deity that freely admits to being vengeful and jealous. Now if that deity chose some tribe, or more likely that tribe chose that deity, so be it. But what exactly does a jealous all-powerful creating deity have to be jealous of? Whatever that may be, it is nothing I want any part of.
Levite
Higher and Higher
It seems like your primary error is in presuming that translations are close enough. But secondarily, you seem to be under the impression that the text is flat, un-nuanced, and the meaning is to be found at the most simplistic, surface reading of the text in the most literal possible fashion.
Furthermore, by reading the Written Torah in isolation from the Oral Torah and the traditions of interpretation that are part of it and spring from it, you are getting, at best, half the story, and often much less.
The Tanach is complex, nuanced, and is poetry written in a language deeply given to multiple meanings, over the course of around a thousand years. There are many conceptions of God found in it, some deeply at odds with one another, as Biblical theology-- which is itself merely the foundation of later theology, not an end in and of itself-- evolved and grew.
So God is petty and jealous, because you dislike what you think you know of the wars of conquest in the Torah and Joshua? What about the God of 1 Kings 18 and 19? What about the God of Isaiah, of Amos, of Hosea? What about the numerous different depictions of God in Psalms? In Ecclesiastes, in Job? For that matter, what about Song of Songs? Even without looking at the Oral Torah and getting a better picture of what was going on in the Written Torah, just looking through the rest of the Tanach is enough to deflate the ridiculous conception that there is one depiction or understanding of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, let alone what that one conception of God might be.
It would be deeply helpful to you to know what you're talking about before you trash someone else's scriptures.
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