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Do Embryos Have Souls?

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Do Embryos Have Souls?



March 2008 . People are sometimes surprised to hear that the wrongness of destroying a human embryo does not ultimately depend on when that embryo might become a person, or when he or she might receive a soul from God. They often suppose that the Catholic Church teaches that destroying human embryos is unacceptable because such embryos are persons (or are "ensouled"). While it is true that the Church teaches that the intentional and direct destruction of human embryos is always immoral, it would be incorrect to conclude that the Church teaches that zygotes(a single-cell embryo) or other early-stage embryos are persons, or that they already have immortal, rational souls. The magisterium of the Church has never definitively stated when the ensoulment of the human embryo takes place. It remains an open question. The Declaration on Procured Abortion from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1974 phrases the matter with considerable precision:

This declaration expressly leaves aside the question of the moment when the spiritual soul is infused. There is not a unanimous tradition on this point and authors are as yet in disagreement. For some it dates from the first instant; for others it could not at least precede nidation [implantation in the uterus]. It is not within the competence of science to decide between these views, because the existence of an immortal soul is not a question in its field. It is a philosophical problem from which our moral affirmation remains independent.

That being said, the moral teaching of the Church is that the human embryo must be treated as if it were already ensouled, even if it might not yet be so. It must be treated as if it were a person from the moment of conception, even if there exists the theoretical possibility that it might not yet be so. Why this rather subtle, nuanced position, instead of simply declaring outright that zygotes are ensouled, and therefore are persons? First, because there has never been a unanimous tradition on this point; and second, because the precisetiming of ensoulment/personhood of the human embryo is irrelevant to the question of whether or not we may ever destroy such embryos for research or other purposes.

Interestingly, ensoulment has been discussed for centuries, and so-called delayed ensoulment was probably the norm for most of Christian history, with immediate ensoulment gaining some serious momentum of its own beginning in the 1600s (and representing the position most widely held today). Augustine seemed to shift his opinion back and forth during his lifetime between immediate and delayed ensoulment. In the 1200s, Thomas Aquinas held that human ensoulment occurred not right at the first instant, but at a time-point removed from the beginning. This, he argued, would enable the matter of the embryo to undergo development and become "apt" for the reception of an immortal soul from God (by passing through simpler initial stages involving “vegetative” and “animative” souls). Even today in various quarters, the discussions continue, with new embryological details like twinning and chimerization impinging upon the debate, and new conceptual questions arising from the intricate biology surrounding totipotency and pluripotency.

We must recognize that it is God's business as to precisely when He ensouls embryos. We do not need an answer to this fascinating and speculative theological question, like counting angels on the head of a pin, in order to grasp the fundamental truth that human embryos are inviolable and deserving of unconditional respect at every stage of their existence. Rather, this moral affirmation follows directly on the heels of the scientific data regarding early human development, which affirms that every person on the face of the planet is, so to speak, an “overgrown embryo”. Hence, it is not necessary to know exactly when God ensouls the embryo, because, as I sometimes point out in half-jest, even if it were true that an embryo did not receive her soul until she graduated from law school, that would not make it OK to kill her by forcibly extracting tissues or organs prior to graduation.

Human embryos are already beings that are human (not zebra or plant), and are, in fact, the newest and most recent additions to the human family. They are integral beings structured for matu ­ ration along their proper time line. Any destructive action against them as they move along the continuum of their development disrupts the entire future time line of that person. In other words, the embryo exists a whole, living member of the human species, and when destroyed, that particular individual has perished. Every human embryo, thus, is unique and sacrosanct, and should not be cannibalized for stem cell extraction.

What a human embryo actually is, even at its earliest and most undeveloped stage, already makes it the only kind of entity capable of receiving the gift of an immortal soul from the hand of God. No other animal or plant embryo can receive this gift; indeed, no other entity in the universe can receive this gift. Hence, the early human embryo is never merely biological tissue, like a group of liver cells in a petri dish; at a minimum, such an embryo, with all its internal structure and directionality, represents the privileged sanctuary of one meant to develop as a human person.

Some scientists and philosophers will attempt to argue that if an early embryo might not yet have received its immortal soul from God, it must be OK to destroy that embryo for research since he or she would not yet be a person. But it would actually be the reverse; that is to say, it would be more immoral to destroy an embryo that had not yet received an immortal soul than to destroy an ensouled embryo. Why? Because the immortal soul is the principle by which that person could come to an eternal destiny with God in heaven, so the one who destroyed the embryo, in this scenario, would preclude that young human from ever receiving an immortal soul (or becoming a person) and making his or her way to God. This would be the gravest of evils, as the stem cell researcher would forcibly derail the entire eternal design of God over that unique and unrepeatable person, via an action that would be, in some sense, worse than murder. The human person, then, even in his or her most incipient form as an embryonic human being, must always be safeguarded in an absolute and unconditional way, and speculation about the timing of personhood cannot alter this fundamental truth.

NCBC: Do Embryos Have Souls?
 

kai

ragamuffin
very interesting , i had a couple of thoughts , if you beleive in the immaculate conception then i think the soul of Mary must have entered at conception, the same with jesus at what stage did he enter the embryo. if it was at conception then the soul must be there at conception,

of course if you dont beleive either then its up to you,
 

Random

Well-Known Member
I believe ensoulment occurs @ the moment conception in the womb. Certainly, the mother's awareness of her pregnancy has something to do with it as well.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
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Please note that this is thread is in the Discuss Individual Religions - Catholic forum. This means two things:

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- the thread is off-limits to non-Catholics, except for polite questions.

Please keep these rules in mind.

Thanks,

9-10ths_Penguin
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Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Victor what is the Catholic view on one body hosting two souls? Thank you.
Impossible, as far as we are concerned. One soul is coded to fit one body. Not having this raises more problems then having it. The Church fought plenty of heresies in the first 500 years where people elevated the spiritual above the flesh or the flesh above the spiritual. The Church stood up and basically said "Wrong! Both are important!".

Does that answer your question?
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Impossible, as far as we are concerned. One soul is coded to fit one body. Not having this raises more problems then having it. The Church fought plenty of heresies in the first 500 years where people elevated the spiritual above the flesh or the flesh above the spiritual. The Church stood up and basically said "Wrong! Both are important!".

Does that answer your question?
Yes, thank you.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Yes, thank you.
I do want to clarify something though. Although two souls can't animate one body, more then one spirit can enter a body. With only the soul animating it and whatever spirit is intruding only influencing the soul.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
A couple questions:

1) What is this belief based on? It isn't Scriptural, so where does it come from, how is it supported?

2) How is this reconciled with the Levitican verse (I'm sorry, I don't know which one) which states that causing a miscarriage is punishable by a fine, when murder carries a death sentance?
 

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
Storm,

Catholics don't have a strictly literalistic understanding of Scripture. We are not required, for example, to take that verse from Leviticus and understand from it a dogmatic statement regarding the sanctity of life. Nor are we required to believe that the letter of the Law was itself handed down on high without taking into account the world of the ancient Hebrews.

In this case, we would probably say that doctrine developed. Just as the earliest Hebrews seemed to think God had a body and that there really was a whole host of gods- and then by the time of the prophets God was being understood to be spirit, not corporeal, and it became clear that God is the only God- so too do does a later period of Hebrew religion register an awareness of the unborn child as being "knitted" by God in the womb and the "unformed substance" of the person being beheld by its Creator.

Catholic doctrine therefore utilizes Scripture, Tradition, philosophy and the sound rules of theology to establish its positions. Christians, from the earliest times, have opposed abortion. It was a distinguishing mark of their disgust with the pagan Roman world.
 

Smoke

Done here.
Yes, an embryo has a soul. God said that before He formed us in our mother's womb, He knew us!
Does that mean that the soul exists before conception? The earlier statement about the embryo being infused with the soul seems to indicate that the soul is created separately from the body, too, but that's a teaching that's new to me.
 
If an embryo the size of my fingernail and which has the brain the size of an ant has a "soul", why aren't people more careful about not stepping on ants when they go jogging? Why do you deny that an ant also has a soul?

Abortion is a human right. Saying otherwise is a grave assault against modernity and progress. Nothing can change this fact.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Hey, JL, are you aware that you're in the Catholic DIR, not a debate area? :)
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Does that mean that the soul exists before conception? The earlier statement about the embryo being infused with the soul seems to indicate that the soul is created separately from the body, too, but that's a teaching that's new to me.
"The soul is infused with knowledge of the natural law."
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
To add...

The language of infusion is technically sloppy because the body is not a vessel, it is not a distinct substance into which the soul is placed. Man is one single subtance which has as its principle of union in the soul.

Heck, when you die there is not even strictly a human body left. It is just a mass of various decaying matter. St. Thomas says that really there is no such thing as a dead dog, because it is not dog when dead. It is not even the same subject being spoken of.

Hence we must see the body and soul as bound up more intimately.
 

Doodlebug02

Active Member
Storm,

Catholics don't have a strictly literalistic understanding of Scripture. We are not required, for example, to take that verse from Leviticus and understand from it a dogmatic statement regarding the sanctity of life. Nor are we required to believe that the letter of the Law was itself handed down on high without taking into account the world of the ancient Hebrews.

In this case, we would probably say that doctrine developed. Just as the earliest Hebrews seemed to think God had a body and that there really was a whole host of gods- and then by the time of the prophets God was being understood to be spirit, not corporeal, and it became clear that God is the only God- so too do does a later period of Hebrew religion register an awareness of the unborn child as being "knitted" by God in the womb and the "unformed substance" of the person being beheld by its Creator.

Catholic doctrine therefore utilizes Scripture, Tradition, philosophy and the sound rules of theology to establish its positions. Christians, from the earliest times, have opposed abortion. It was a distinguishing mark of their disgust with the pagan Roman world.

Indeed. Here are a few quotes taken from Catholic Answer's article on abortion. They quotes from the early Church fathers. Look at how early the dates are:

"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).


"The way of light, then, is as follows. If anyone desires to travel to the appointed place, he must be zealous in his works. The knowledge, therefore, which is given to us for the purpose of walking in this way, is the following. . . . Thou shalt not slay the child by procuring abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born" (Letter of Barnabas 19 [A.D. 74]).

"And near that place I saw another strait place . . . and there sat women. . . . And over against them many children who were born to them out of due time sat crying. And there came forth from them rays of fire and smote the women in the eyes. And these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion" (The Apocalypse of Peter 25 [A.D. 137]).
 
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