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Did Jesus abolish the law?

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by Natural Submission, Apr 4, 2005.

  1. angellous_evangellous

    To say that the law is obsolete is an interpretation that over-generalizes the law. To say that the law is obsolete, you lump an entire section of the Word of God into one mass and interpret it as if it were singular. Do you mean ritual law, ceremonial law, levitical law, deuternomistic law, prophetic law, the Ten Commandments, or what? It is more responsible to actually review the text and intrepret it individually than to lump stuff that shouldn't be compiled and say that it is obsolete.
  2. almifkhar

    almifkhar Active Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    if i am not mistaken it was paul who said the torah has been fullfilled by the death of christ not jesus. if you notice in the gospels, and i will use paul and matthew as the example here where diet is concerned. matthew said when addressed on diet that the laws of the torrah was to be observed where as paul said that all foods are clean. what always puzzled me is why christians observe the teachings of paul but not those of matthew. matthew hung out with jesus paul never meet him. besides what was it that jesus was so outraged about? let me tell you, he was angered by the corupton going on in the temples, he was outraged that his fellow jews were not living life by the torrah. these were the things that most got under his skin so with this said, jesus would have not said the torrah is fullfilled. he was crying aloud to the people to get back to the laws for the laws are gods spoken word and to go against them is a sin.
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  3. Steve

    Steve Active Member

    Mar 13, 2005
    Can you quote the verse's that you are refering too so we can look at what you are refering to.
  4. john313

    john313 warrior-poet

    Dec 30, 2004
    shouldn't you know your own book?
  5. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

    Jun 2, 2004
    MOD Post

    Let's keep it productive in this section and have less antagonism
  6. BUDDY

    BUDDY User of Aspercreme

    Feb 3, 2005
    I think that a lot of folks are confused because you have failed to realize that Jesus was under the Old Law when he was on earth. The New Kingdom and the New Law didn't come into life for man until Christ's death paved the way for it with the shedding of his blood. That is why, while on this earth, he became the perfect sacrifice, because he kept the law perfectly. Becoming that sacrifice, he abolished the old law, and created a more excellent way that doesn't bind people to rules, but asks people to live by principles, i.e. peace, love, honor,etc.
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

    Dec 1, 2004
    Christian Taoist
    almifkhar... you ARE mistaken about Paul. If you would take the time and read the previous posts, you would see that I have already quoted PETER in acts telling us that all food is clean. As for Matthew, I have no idea of any passage that speaks as such.

    John313... That you accost Steve for not knowing where passages that don't exist are located is
    not nice.

    Everyone... Grab a thesuarus and check to see JUST HOW MANY TIMES the word "Fulfilled" is used not only in the Gospels but throughout the entire New Testament.

    As EEWRED pointed out, Jesus lived under the law, and was ressurected under the Law of Grace. You are either under the law or not at all. There is no confusion in figuring out "which law" to obey. The Law of Grace is the Law of Love.
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  8. true blood

    true blood Active Member

    May 10, 2004
    Abraham wasn't under any laws. Job wasn't either. Why not?

    The laws found in OT were given to Israel and never given to the church thus their interpretation cannot be for it. And scripture is clear that as born-again sons of God are not under law but grace.

    Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law on account of the body of Christ"

    -How could the law have power over anyone when the law is dead?

    If people want to live under the law I say let them because it isn't new in the Christian age because we see Paul had such in the church at Galatia

    Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

    4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

    Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in the respect of an holyday, or of the new moon or of the sabbath days.

    Question. Those in favor of the laws, should you then be subject to the consequences of breaking them? Shall we start stoning people?
  9. Dr. Khan

    Dr. Khan Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    I bring you to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and the surrounding verses also Isaiah 28:9-13 and the surrounding verses. These show that man was never able to fulfill or satisfy God through the law. We please God by observing whateverlaw he magnify to us. Christ is the greatest law. He is only able to please the Father so he is given the place at the right hand of all power. He is seated in the heavens expecting all his enemies be made his footstool.
  10. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

    Mar 22, 2005
    Matthew, Chapter 5 verses 17-20:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill (to make more clear what has been misunderstood). For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees (what they currently believe to be the truth), you will not enter (experience) the kingdom of heaven."