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NetDoc said:He is also clear that he came to what??? To FULFILL the law.
Consider Paul's words:
Galations 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. 7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. 11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
The Judaizers were trying to do just this... re-introduce the law into Christianity. The old law of DEATH has been replaced by the new law of LIFE. Jesus paid the entire note in full and we are the reicipients of his Grace.
You are free from the condemnation of the law to serve the Lord Jesus. Those in Christ are given a glimpse of the glory in him this is reward and it is persued by love. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the new covenant prophesied. We enter into the Abrahamic blessing. This is missed by most today, settling for less(religiousity) rather than the great blessing which is hid from those that are lost. Paul said if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost: the god of this world has blinded their minds. 2Cor.3-4.Lostinthisworld said:Are you saying the law is paid in full ?
So we can say, do and act like swine and still get into heaven as long as we have faith.
If so, wont this world go into a downward sprial ?
Jesus abolished the enmity(hatred) created by our waywardness(disobedience) through the ignorance that was in us. Every time we step into an ant bed we get bitten. We are by nature transgressors in God's Kingdom, though we can't see Him. The New covenant allows us to partisipate in Abraham's blessing as we are transformed from glory to glory even by the Spirit of the Lord.wellmanj said:Interesting. I agree Jesus "fulfilled" the requirements of the law, but to say He "abolished" the law itself is something totally different.
The Old Testament is still in effect there are prophesys still to be fulfilled, and patterns to observe and become, throught the faith that is in Jesus. We should see the ways of Abraham, And all those to many to mention here that should be the ones we should emulate as they demonstrate how to win the victory, as mentioned in Hebrews11.Seyorni said:Why, then, is the Old Testament included in the Holy Bible? Is it just a rather long historical preface?
We are free from the condemnation of the Law, we still observe to do it, though through the love created in us by Jesus' blood. We are new creatures Ephesians 2:13-22. These ten verses I have spoken to myself thousands of times.fromthe heart said:Pardon me...jumping in here with a question...Didn't Jesus still say we were to obey the laws of the two commandments Matt.20:37-40 and didn't Jesus speak about the law in respect to how you treat your mom and dad, and about stealing and coveting??? and the rest of the last of the commandments? Doesn't that say we are to still obey the commandments so that others can know us by our fruits?
NetDoc said:My mortgage will also last forever. But once it's paid for in full, I am no longer under it's obligations.
Do I continue to send in payments? But it's still a legal document. It was not abolished. Why am I free of it??? Because I have FULFILLED it's obligations.
NetDoc said:Under Mosaical Law, sin required a sacrifice. Why no more sacrifices under Christianity?
Hebrews 7:17 For it is declared: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. 20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: `You are a priest forever.'" 22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26 Such a high priest meets our need--one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
Hebrews 8:6 But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises. 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said : "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. 10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." 13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
The new has supplanted the old. This is why Jesus died!
It's not often that I feel stupid...but this is one of those occasions. I feel like "understanding" is just out of reach. So how do we know which laws we must obey? :help:No*s said:He's very clear, though, that any person who teaches people to break the commandments is least in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Law is a spiritual guide and schoolmaster. It has not been done away with. We only have a new interpretation under Christ, who has brought to us the Law of Grace.
Melody said:It's not often that I feel stupid...but this is one of those occasions. I feel like "understanding" is just out of reach. So how do we know which laws we must obey? :help:
I tried to use the scriptures to explain it earlier, but let me try again for ya. Everything that we need in order to live our lives correctly, is contained in Christ's Law, the New Testament. Their is nothing in the Old Testament or under the Old Covenant that counts to us a "Law". Following the Old Law is frowned upon by God (See Galatians). Everthing before the cross of Calvary pointed towards Christ and his sacrifice, and everything since then has pointed back to that sacrifice. His life and his words are what we live by now, that's what we look back on and try to live by. The purpose of the Old Testament is to teach us the nature of God, his plan from the beginning and the history of his people. Following the Old Law, either in part or in whole, won'tsave us any more than my friend Jim can save us. Only Christ and HIS gospel can save us.Melody said:It's not often that I feel stupid...but this is one of those occasions. I feel like "understanding" is just out of reach. So how do we know which laws we must obey? :help:
I agree with NetDocNetDoc said:It is still obsolete... just like that mortgage. It has not disappeared... just like that mortgage!