Deny the holocaust

[pro4life]

With the events unfolding in France and the marches and whatnot, I thought to myself why is it a crime there to deny the holocaust but drawing pornographic depictions of a person people depict as a role model ok.

 

[Faybull]

when pluto reigns, so does the underground...

 

[JRMcC]

I think it's partially a "too soon" kind of thing. I think if you were to deny the holocaust 300 years from now people would just laugh at you.

 

[bobhikes]

With the events unfolding in France and the marches and whatnot, I thought to myself why is it a crime there to deny the holocaust but drawing pornographic depictions of a person people depict as a role model ok.

Although I don't think either should be a crime they are 2 different things

Denying a factual event is the equivalent of lying which can be illegal in most places.

Depicting people in alternate styles is considered creative and if they are negative images then its creative satire both equivalent to free speech which is not illegal in France.

 

[Nietzsche]

With the events unfolding in France and the marches and whatnot, I thought to myself why is it a crime there to deny the holocaust but drawing pornographic depictions of a person people depict as a role model ok.

You cannot possibly be serious.

 

[FearGod]

I think it's partially a "too soon" kind of thing. I think if you were to deny the holocaust 300 years from now people would just laugh at you.

I think it needs 301 years to deny and mocking the holocaust without being in trouble for doing it.

 

[FearGod]

Although I don't think either should be a crime they are 2 different things

Denying a factual event is the equivalent of lying which can be illegal in most places.

Depicting people in alternate styles is considered creative and if they are negative images then its creative satire both equivalent to free speech which is not illegal in France.

How do you know it is a factual event ?
Is it kind of blind faith ?

 

[Glaurung]

With the events unfolding in France and the marches and whatnot, I thought to myself why is it a crime there to deny the holocaust but drawing pornographic depictions of a person people depict as a role model ok.

Clearly a Zionist conspiracy.

How do you know it is a factual event ?

WWII was obviously a hoax.

 

[Nietzsche]

How do you know it is a factual event ?
Is it kind of blind faith ?

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You listen to me. I'll be polite a grand total of one time about this. I've been to Birkenau. I've seen Treblinka, Belzec & Sobibor. I've seen the ovens where they burnt the bodies of men, women & children whos' only crimes were being Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals or Slavs. I've met with thirty or forty survivors, who still have numbers on their arms, some of them still even have the uniforms they wore, with the patches sewn into them to identify why they were there.

A handful showed me where they were missing gold teeth, or told me how their wedding bands were taken when their husbands were sent into the gas chambers. Or the shoes of their children they managed to scavenge from their bodies before the Nazis either burnt them or tossed them into graves holding thousands. Piled on top of each other like wood or garbage.

One individuals' hand had swollen so much from where they'd beaten him that they couldn't get his gold ring off, so they just took the whole finger. Or where people lost their wedding rings because they had fallen off due to how much weight they lost, while they were being starved & worked to death.

That was your one polite explanation. I suggest you apologize and go no further.

 

[columbus]

How do you know it is a factual event ?
Is it kind of blind faith ?

The Germans kept excellent records. That is where much of the most damning evidence comes from.
Exactly how many millions of people, mostly Jewish, were slaughtered is a matter of debate. But there is not a shred of doubt that it was a matter of millions of innocent civilians destroyed.

The Holocaust is far better documented then the Quran or Hadith.

Tom

 

[bobhikes]

How do you know it is a factual event ?
Is it kind of blind faith ?

Personally, I don't but the French are well aware see below, and they are the ones that made it illegal.

The camp of Struthof, or Natzweiler-Struthof, in Alsace, which is the only concentration camp created by Nazis on French territory (annexed by the Third Reich) did include a gas chamber which was used to exterminate at least 86 detainees (mostly Jewish) with the aim of constituting a collection of preserved skeletons (as this mode of execution did no damage to the skeletons themselves) for the use of Nazi professor August Hirt.

Edit: In actuality I personally knew 2 Jewish people that escaped concentration camps. There arms were marked with prisoner numbers. Both were teachers I had.

 

[FearGod]

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You listen to me. I'll be polite a grand total of one time about this. I've been to Birkenau. I've seen Treblinka, Belzec & Sobibor. I've seen the ovens where they burnt the bodies of men, women & children whos' only crimes were being Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals or Slavs. I've met with thirty or forty survivors, who still have numbers on their arms, some of them still even have the uniforms they wore, with the patches sewn into them to identify why they were there.

A handful showed me where they were missing gold teeth, or told me how their wedding bands were taken when their husbands were sent into the gas chambers. Or the shoes of their children they managed to scavenge from their bodies before the Nazis either burnt them or tossed them into graves holding thousands. Piled on top of each other like wood or garbage.

One individuals' hand had swollen so much from where they'd beaten him that they couldn't get his gold ring off, so they just took the whole finger. Or where people lost their wedding rings because they had fallen off due to how much weight they lost, while they were being starved & worked to death.

That was your one polite explanation. I suggest you apologize and go no further.

Your evidence is what you heard ?!

Why it should be a crime if one denies it ?

I'm free whether if i want to believe it or not, you can't force someone to believe what you have heard and believed.

As you have evidence from people you heard the others have also their evidences.

Here's one example
Is the Holocaust a Hoax?

 

[columbus]

I'm free whether if i want to believe it or not,

That is the problem with religion in general, and Islam in particular.

People feel free to believe whatever they want to believe. Doesn't matter what the facts are.

You want to believe that Muhammad got his truth from God and the Zionists do too, and I am stuck with the
consequences of you religionists nonsense.

Tom

 

[bobhikes]

Your evidence is what you heard ?!

Why it should be a crime if one denies it ?

I'm free whether if i want to believe it or not, you can't force someone to believe what you have heard and believed.

As you have evidence from people you heard the others have also their evidences.

Here's one example
Is the Holocaust a Hoax?

You can believe what ever you want but the country you live in decides what is punishable or not. I personally do not believe Mohammad was a great prophet I find a lot of his teaching unpalatable. In many countries I could be put to death if they knew I had this belief. Fortunately I live in a country where it is not a problem

 

[FearGod]

That is the problem with religion in general, and Islam in particular.

People feel free to believe whatever they want to believe. Doesn't matter what the facts are.

You want to believe that Muhammad got his truth from God and the Zionists do too, and I am stuck with the
consequences of you religionists nonsense.

Tom

That wasn't a wise thing to say.

No one will deny that 1+1 = 2 , but when i say God created the universe and you say it was created by accidents and chances, so which fact you want me to believe in, the chances.

 

[FearGod]

You can believe what ever you want but the country you live in decides what is punishable or not. I personally do not believe Mohammad was a great prophet I find a lot of his teaching unpalatable. In many countries I could be put to death if they knew I had this belief. Fortunately I live in a country where it is not a problem

Are you saying that all Christians and other religions living in Muslim countries have to put to death because they don't believe Mohammed was a great prophet.

Are you kidding ?

 

[Glaurung]

No one will deny that 1+1 = 2 , but when i say God created the universe and you say it was created by accidents and chances, so which fact you want me to believe in, the chances.

But we are dealing with two different categories here. Questions of religion and philosophy are one thing, the reality of well attested historical events less than a century ago is another.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts.

 

[bobhikes]

Are you saying that all Christians and other religions living in Muslim countries have to put to death because they don't believe Mohammed was a great prophet.

Are you kidding ?

No I am saying that for my beliefs against Mohammed not my current beliefs. If known in certain countries I could be put to death. Not all Christians have a negative view of Mohammed. Are there only Christians in Muslim countries, I thought there were other religions as well Hindu for one.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

With the events unfolding in France and the marches and whatnot, I thought to myself why is it a crime there to deny the holocaust but drawing pornographic depictions of a person people depict as a role model ok.

Many French Jews were sent to the gas ovens in World War 2, so it's a sensitive issue there, and rightly so. Trying to conflate this with a debate about the right of a magazine to satirise religious figures is deeply offensive.

 

[FearGod]

No I am saying that for my beliefs against Mohammed not my current beliefs. If known in certain countries I could be put to death. Not all Christians have a negative view of Mohammed. Are there only Christians in Muslim countries, I thought there were other religions as well Hindu for one.

All religions exist in the Muslim world including atheism and they don't believe Muhammed as a great prophet, should they be killed.