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Featured Conversion after death

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by PopeADope, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. stvdv

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    So, if I understand you well:
    1: Yes Atheist can reach his highest goal in life, because God decides, and if God is very pleased with him, God will grant him his highest goal.
    2: Yes Follower of Sai Baba [me] can reach also highest goal, because God decides what is the right path, for each one personally
    3: ??? I think you made a mistake in the line below; 2 times nothing makes no sense to me.
    I see nothing in the teachings of Sai Baba that offer nothing that Baha'i scriptures offer.
    [Sai Baba had you make the above error; He is poorna avatar after all, not just another guru. He controls you even if you don't believe]

    Thank you for taking the time to explain my questions according to your view as a follower of Bahai
    Thank you for given the Bahai view. My major question/concern you have answered quite clear
     
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    Added to other post.
     
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    As do many other gurus make the same claim. The Baha'i Faith does not make such absolute claim all has been revealed nor God nor a manifestation of God controls what everyone believes as you indicate Sai Baba claims.

    The Baha'i Faith does respect other religious beliefs, but based on the absolute claim above you do not. One of the principles in the Baha'i Faith is the 'Independent investigation of truth, and most definitely not with all RESPECT when one controls what people believe.
     
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    I do respect other religious beliefs. Poorna Avatar is the Full incarnation of the Divine with all 16 attributes.

    So from my viewpoint, Sai Baba being full consciousness, He indeed rules you and everything. This has nothing to do with me not respecting you or other religions. Just my belief system. I don't expect you to believe what I believe. And I leave you free to believe what you believe. You can freely express what you believe, as can I. At least that is what I thought.

    I have full respect for all belief systems. No better or worse in my dictionary. Just respect.
     
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    Respect has little or no meaning when your leader makes these claims. What other people who beleived differently would all be rejected off hand
     
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    I only expressed my believe in Sai Baba being a poorna avatar. That's a totally legitimate part of indian Sanathana Dharma.
    I did in no way disrespect other religions, just expressed my own religion. I said nothing demeaning about Bahai and it's Messenger.
    You were the one starting with demeaning words. I just ignored those. Now you continue to belittle my leader making claims.....

    So my best option is:"Let's agree to disagree"

    Love, Peace and Blessings to all of us
    Namastee
     
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    Well, ah . . . yes you did. You said the Baha'i Faith did not respect other religions.

    This may be your personal view, but it is in contradiction to your Master who you claim controls what everyone believes.
     
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    I started off with the below:
    So actually I litereally said that I understood from Bahaullah that Bahai Faith does respect other religions. Only a Dutch Bahai said something different. That felt bad. That's all I said. And I stand by that. So I didn't say that Bahai Faith didn't respect other religions. And I was happy that you said "that this Dutch view was not correct". Sai Baba only says that He is God. Nothing more. He doesn't say that you must follow Him to reach God. Any religion will do. Be a good human is enough according to Him (but His standards for human are quite high). So I admit Sai Baba makes it quite simple to understand how to reach God. But not easy.

    Seen from Advaita the claim from Sai Baba [I am God, consciousness and so are you. Only you haven't realized it yet, that's your goal in life. And SB being God/consciousness is the doer of everything, so if that is true then He makes you speak etc is also true] is nothing special. If you don't believe in this part of Advaita that's oke for me. But I believe this to be true. That's why I said "let's agree to disagree".

    Namastee
     
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    Conversion after death
    I believe that Buddha was a non-Jewish prophet/messenger of G-d and Jesus was a Jewish prophet/messenger of G-d, they both were in different ages, so they need not to accept one another, by name. I believe that they both are in heaven and are very close to G-d. They both received enlightenment from the same G-d, it is for this, that their teachings and many events have much similarity.
    Hence, neither Buddha needs to convert to become a Christian, nor Jesus needs to become a Buddhist. They both were treading the same truthful path that lead to G-d. Right, please?

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    I like your views! :)
     
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    Thanks and regards
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    are you Muslim? I'm on a phone so it doesn't show up the part about your religion.
     
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    And IMHO also "neither Buddhists need to convert to become Christians, nor Christians need to become Buddhists. They all are treading the same truthful path that lead to G-d. Right, please?"
     
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    There is a difference, Buddha and Jesus got the enlightenment from G-d. With the debris of time, they both have last the pristine Light their founders got from God and brought for their people. This affords a comparative search to find the Truth from one another. One should benefit from it. Right, please?

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    Totally agree. One of my favourite quotes from the Yoga Vasistha is "accept the truth even if spoken by a fool, and reject untruth even if spoken by a saint"
     
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    If the Baha'i faith respected other religious beliefs, it wouldn't try to co-opt them.
     
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    Your negative view of other people who believe differently negates any objective value in your response, and your ignorance of the Baha'i Faith is outstanding.

    The Baha'i Faith does not try and co-opt other religions, because it just teaches the fundamental unity at their base teachings. The other religions consider their differences defining why they think their religion is the only true religion, and all others are false, and often out right condemned.

    I was raised a Christian, and later believed in the teachings of Buddha. Becoming a Baha'i did not co-opt my previous beliefs.
     
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    Very nice, that's what I also understood from reading Bahai teachings
     
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