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Featured Conversion after death

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by PopeADope, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Buddha never heard about Jesus. He left his palace to live in poverty, meditation, fasting, self-discipline, and seeking knowledge, understanding and truth. He sat beneath the Bodhi Tree defiantly determined to receive understanding and vowed that he would let his flesh and bones waste away and welcome that and death but not leave that spot until he found enlightenment. He did the best with what he had.

    Buddha preached non-violence, gentleness, charity, self-discipline, detachment from possessions, detachment from materialism, and worldliness, humility, meekness and many of the virtues that Jesus preached. But he didn't accept Christ because he had never heard of the man, and wasn't a Jew, so didn't know about the God of Abraham. You seriously think he went to Hell??

    Jesus said
    • Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land.
    • Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted.
    • Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall have their fill.
    • Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
    • Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.
    • Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Buddha was poor in spirit, meek, he hungered and thirsted for righteousness, he was merciful, clean of heart, and a peacemaker. You seriously think he went to hell? What kind of God would be that cruel and unjust? So, if he didn't go to hell, that leaves only one option. He converted after death. If Buddha can convert after death, what makes you think Ghandi and so many other non-Christians can't?

    Saint Faustina claims she was told by Jesus that at the moment when a spirit leaves the body, there is a final illumination and spiritual awakening and the soul is given understanding and then the free option to accept or reject Christ. She said there are people who die seemingly unrepentant and non-Christian, and to the naked eye it seems all is lost, but unknownst to us, the soul goes through a final illumination, complete enlightenment, and accepts Jesus as Lord and savior.

    I am 100% convinced that if Buddha met Christ they would see eye to eye. Buddha preached a lot of what Christ preached with a different choice of words and extolled many of the same virtues. I have no doubt that Buddha is in Heaven, which only leaves one option, he had a full conversion after death. If Buddha can have a conversion after death, what makes you think others can't??
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  2. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Not trying to disagree with you, but I think you have a few misconceptions about the teachings and the actual being of The Buddha.
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    One of the core doctrines of Mormonism is that death is not the end, in terms of our opportunities to come to know about the gospel of Jesus Christ. As LDS Apostle, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, has stated: "The more we learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ, the more we realize that endings here in mortality are not endings at all."

    God's not going to damn anybody to Hell for having had the misfortune to be born at the wrong time or in the wrong place. God is just. How just would that be? :rolleyes:
     
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  4. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Ive read his quotes, but some people attribute things to Buddha that he didn't apparently say, but I admire the man from what I've read about him.
     
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  5. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Not to mention I don't think things actually work that way after one dies.
     
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    Jumi Well-Known Member

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    According to most scholars, Buddha lived hundreds of years before Christ. It would have been hard for him to hear about it. On the opposite side, it's not unlikely that people living in Eastern parts of Roman Empire to have heard of the Buddha during Christ's time.
     
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  7. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Are you suggesting that Jesus may have learned from the Buddha and copied him on some of his morals? That is entirely possible.
     
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    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    Which leads me to rejection of the claims that Jesus traveled to and lived and studied in India. There was a vast network of trade routes all along the "Silk Road", which was actually a network of routes, not a single road. Merchants, traders, raiders, artisans, scholars, armies and all manner of persons went back and forth. Rome traded with China. It's no great leap to think that travelers brought tales and ideas back and forth between the western edges of the Roman Empire and India and China. Much of what Jesus said can be found in the Bhagavad Gita, from several centuries before his time. If we still quote Caesar and Shakespeare, why could Jesus not quote an ancient Indian scripture as well as his that of own tradition, especially if there is no conflict and it served his purpose?
     
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    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    I believe that.
     
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  10. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    If you ever have the time you might want to read "The Urantia Book". Obviously, there's no way to prove anything in it but there is a plausible explanation along the lines you cite (BTW, the book is over twenty-two hundred pages long, but if you force yourself to muddle through the first 600 or so pages it is an interesting read).
     
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  11. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Well said :)
     
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  12. Jumi

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    I didn't say Jesus copied from Buddha, but it stands to reason that someone from that time period could have known about the Buddha. It was only later that the Christian world lost much, but not all, of it's contact with the East.
     
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    Frater Sisyphus In The Circle Of Falsehood, Which Is Untrue

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    I'm more interested in whether Jesus reached nirvana or reincarnated
     
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    This does not qualify for a comparison since you only believe primacy of Jesus Christ and the One and only Roman Church, which teaches no conversion after death. It does allow for the salvation of those of good motives if they have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and the Roman Church.

    Your knowledge and comparison between Jesus Christ and Buddha is awkward based on what you believe.

    The Baha'i belief they are as equals meeting eye to eye, but that is also a matter of faith and not accepted by most.
     
  15. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Salvation of those with good motives qualifies as a conversion after death in the eyes of the Roman Catholic church , because the belief in Catholicism is that the person would have accepted the fullness of Truth before entering heaven, and therefore been fully converted ;)
     
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    Disagree, this is not accurate according to Roman Church Doctrine. I have cited the references before, and it sounds more like fanciful wishful delusions of illusions based on the fear of the consequences and maybe an easy way out thinking sitting on the fence getting splinters in their butts.

    The beliefs, doctrines and dogma of the Roman Church are what they are and not what you want them to be,
     
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  17. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Everyone will need to convert to pacifism, not necessarily to another religion, or to another belief in God. All will require rebirth/reincarnation.
     
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  18. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    To say there is no conversion after death, is to say that all people who never heard of Christ or the god of Abraham went to hell. This is preposterous! Hence in order for any of those people to make it to Heaven, that would have to mean there was a conversion after death, meaning the dead were presented with the truth and evangelized.

    Scripture even speaks of the Gospel being preached to the dead and those in prison. You are pinned in a corner mate. ;)
     
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    The hundreds of different churches juggle the books to fit the comfort of what they want believe. The ENRON bookkeepers would by proud and amazed.

    The beliefs, doctrines and dogma of the Roman Church are what they are and not what you want them to be.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    what ?....no Islamics allowed?
    and Jesus was a Jew

    I have no problem with the notion the Jews were God's chosen people
    that is .....for the initial contact and instruction
    they already believed is a Spirit having no Name

    I do believe heaven is exclusionary....peace first

    you may have to be retrained that you are allowed to enter
     
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