Chrsitain missionaries are unjust to Jesus

[sojourner]

Jehovah’s Witnesses on it,
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=45&cp=3

And...they're authoritative...how?

 

[sojourner]

Paul, John and Simon the stone (peter) are all Pharisees, this is the essence of your teachings and are theirs and not from Yeshua else you would follow “mercy and not sacrifice”!
So therefore fulfil the measure of your forefathers….

I do follow "mercy and not sacrifice." I don't buy into the penal atonement. God showed infinite mercy by becoming one of us. By dying, he preceeded us to resurrection. Self-sacrifice is not the same as victim sacrifice.

 

[summia]

The book of Romans says: (this is the Roman Road to Salvation)

!. Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

ths verse can't explain that sinnes was short by the glory of God coz God sent Jesus to die for others.

2. Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

it also did not explain that BY THE DEATH of jesus. coz jesus was came to command his people and following commandment wages of the sins.

3. Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Here need to know about contex, coz these are not WORDS SAID BY JESUS.

4. Romans 10:9-11
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Confessing what? to the commandment abviously!
here more imporatnt is GOD HAS RASES HIM.

Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed"

Believe in What? in him!
he brings what? THe Commandments!

 

[sojourner]

coz God sent Jesus to die for others.

Not in the belief of the majority of Christians.

jesus was came to command his people and following commandment wages of the sins.

Jesus came to bring reconciliation.

he brings what? THe Commandments!

You're confused. Moses brought the commandments. Jesus brought reconciliation.

You're constructing Christianity contrary to Christianity and then arguing against it. Why beat your head against a wall?

 

[wizanda]

Yeshua brought:
The sword, The measure, Divide, Plummet stone, Rook, Hook, That family turn against family for following God not man.......

 

[summia]

And...they're authoritative...how?

yes, they was

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/79332/racism_in_the_jehovah_witness_watchtower.html

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Jehovah-s-3121/144-000.htm

Answer
Dear Jeannie,

Yes, of course it is confusing. At best, the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are convoluted, and at worst, they are intentionally confusing. One of the tactics that all cults use is to teach doctrines that are hopelessly incomprehensible, with the intention that the rank and file members will throw up their hands and give up trying to understand, and just trust that someone in the leadership really does understand. In this way, members are coerced into following blindly.

 

[sojourner]

Yeshua brought:
The sword, The measure, Divide, Plummet stone, Rook, Hook, That family turn against family for following God not man.......

Man! I wish he'd brought donuts!

 

[sojourner]

yes, they was

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/79332/racism_in_the_jehovah_witness_watchtower.html

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Jehovah-s-3121/144-000.htm

I don't understand. Are you for them or against them?

 

[summia]

I don't understand. Are you for them or against them?

I am against falsehood,
In some arguments they really fail
but see, how people from ur own community raised to tell the truth.

 

[summia]

Jesus came to bring reconciliation.

Are ur scholars are correct or u are, i am confused.
that what Pasture said!
"jesus sent to die for others"

You're confused. Moses brought the commandments. Jesus brought reconciliation.

?

Yes, he came for reconcile, lets check the meaning of reconcile
achievement of consistency or compatibility: the making of two or more apparently conflicting things consistent or compatible

It did not means that death was the reconciliation. When he came to reconcile jew put him on the cross but it did not means that it was the reconciliation of sins.

 

[FatMan]

missionaries are unjust and Islam is not....
Simple....

Simple?? If simple means "incorrect", then I buy it - otherwise it isn't simple at all. It is a biased statement made by somebody preaching peace yet judging others. Hypocritical, I'd say.

 

[sojourner]

Are ur scholars are correct or u are, i am confused.
that what Pasture said!
"jesus sent to die for others"



Yes, he came for reconcile, lets check the meaning of reconcile
achievement of consistency or compatibility: the making of two or more apparently conflicting things consistent or compatible

It did not means that death was the reconciliation. When he came to reconcile jew put him on the cross but it did not means that it was the reconciliation of sins.

You're precisely right! The majority belief is that it was the Incarnation -- not the death of Jesus that brought reconciliation.

 

[Mary23]

You're precisely right! The majority belief is that it was the Incarnation -- not the death of Jesus that brought reconciliation.

incarnation???
u means God in human body???

 

[sojourner]

incarnation???
u means God in human body???

Absolutely. That's basic to Christian theology. God became human so that we could be reconciled to God.

 

[summia]

Absolutely. That's basic to Christian theology. God became human so that we could be reconciled to God.

can u quote the verse that God came to reconcile in the human?

 

[FatMan]

can u quote the verse that God came to reconcile in the human?

Do you really need a verse to explain this elementary and widely accepted point??

 

[sojourner]

can u quote the verse that God came to reconcile in the human?

Sure!

"Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied hemself, taking on the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death -- even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8

And:
"...In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them..." II Cor. 5:19

 

[summia]

Sure!

"Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied hemself, taking on the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death -- even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8

And:
"...In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them..." II Cor. 5:19

Why God chooses Himself to be reconciled? I don't found any purpose for doing so...

What this means

did not regard equality with God

does this means, God was in him but jesus is not equal to God???

 

[sojourner]

Why God chooses Himself to be reconciled? I don't found any purpose for doing so...

What this means
does this means, God was in him but jesus is not equal to God???

God doesn't choose himself to be reconciled. God chooses us to be reconciled to God. God accomplished that by removing the distance between the human and the Divine (by becoming one of us).

No. It means that Jesus did not regard his equality with God as something to be exploited. So, instead of stooping to "forced conversion," as it were, he became one of us, bestowing grace to humanity.

 

[joeboonda]

You're precisely right! The majority belief is that it was the Incarnation -- not the death of Jesus that brought reconciliation.

Wrong, dead wrong! The Bible clearly says we were reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, NOT his incarnation:

Colossians 1:20-22 (King James Version)
20And,having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Ephesians 2:15-17
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.