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Christmas No Longer Recognized As The Birth Of Christ

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

Christmas a holiday for centuries celebrated as the birth of Christ - now the celebration is only about gifts, food, Santa, reindeer, snowman, elves and such. Much of society has forgotten, some of society probably don't know why Christmas was initially celebrated. A few decades ago the unbelievers and those that believed in other deities fought against the recognition of Christ and won. The words now are Happy Holidays. Very few say Merry Christmas in public places. The first five letters of the word Christmas tells us it is about Christ. Scripture tells us there will come a falling away we are witnessing the beginning.
Well truth be told , Christians invaded and hijacked already established pagan festivals in order to put Christ into it.

Christmas, at least the December 25th holiday, wasn't and isn't a Christian holiday in the first place. It belongs to the Pagans celebration of the harvest and bounty for the year.

The real Christian celebration lays with Epiphany on January 6.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Well truth be told , Christians invaded and hijacked already established pagan festivals in order to put Christ into it.

Christmas, at least the December 25th holiday, wasn't and isn't a Christian holiday in the first place. It belongs to the Pagans celebration of the harvest and bounty for the year.
The rebirth of the sun, actually. (Daylight time starting to get longer in the northern hemisphere.)
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
'Tis the season to whine that you can't say Merry Christmas anymore. :rolleyes:

Here's a personal observation about "Merry Christmas" v. "Happy Holidays". Some people may not like this, but they're my thoughts on my Facebook page, and because this whole thing is pissant:

Want people to say Merry Christmas to you? SAY... IT... FIRST! Stop waiting for other people to do what you want to do. If they get offended because you said it, that's their problem. No one can control anyone else's thought or actions, only your own.

Personally I don't care what anyone says to me because they are words that have no effect on how happy, merry or miserable my holidays or Christmas will be. There are bigger things for me to get my jimmies rustled over.

Moreover the "keep Christ in Christmas" needs a lot of work from people who say it. Want Christ in Christmas? Make a Nativity scene and religious hymns the center of Christmas, not a tree, or Santa Claus (an evolution of the Norse god Odin, both of which are ancient Pagan beliefs), or Jingle Bells (Deck the Halls and mistletoe are from ancient Paganism). Jesus never saw a Douglas fir, tinsel or reindeer.

Not religious, but like the decorations, lights, parties? Ok, do that. There's no law against that. Another thought: the US is a very diverse culture. It's a country predominately of Christians, but it's not a Christian country. At last count there were approx. 29 different holidays celebrated from November to January, by different groups. Sure, Christmas is the predominant holiday; but what's wrong with saying "merry Christmas and happy holidays" to someone?

So if you want to say Merry Christmas, say Merry Christmas; if you want Christ in Christmas, put Christ in Christmas. Stop whining about what other people do or don't do. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member

Christmas a holiday for centuries celebrated as the birth of Christ - now the celebration is only about gifts, food, Santa, reindeer, snowman, elves and such. Much of society has forgotten, some of society probably don't know why Christmas was initially celebrated. A few decades ago the unbelievers and those that believed in other deities fought against the recognition of Christ and won. The words now are Happy Holidays. Very few say Merry Christmas in public places. The first five letters of the word Christmas tells us it is about Christ. Scripture tells us there will come a falling away we are witnessing the beginning.
I think everyone should just celebrate christmas however they want and let everyone else do the same. Who cares.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member

InChrist

Free4ever
'Tis the season to whine that you can't say Merry Christmas anymore. :rolleyes:

Here's a personal observation about "Merry Christmas" v. "Happy Holidays". Some people may not like this, but they're my thoughts on my Facebook page, and because this whole thing is pissant:

Want people to say Merry Christmas to you? SAY... IT... FIRST! Stop waiting for other people to do what you want to do. If they get offended because you said it, that's their problem. No one can control anyone else's thought or actions, only your own.

Personally I don't care what anyone says to me because they are words that have no effect on how happy, merry or miserable my holidays or Christmas will be. There are bigger things for me to get my jimmies rustled over.

Moreover the "keep Christ in Christmas" needs a lot of work from people who say it. Want Christ in Christmas? Make a Nativity scene and religious hymns the center of Christmas, not a tree, or Santa Claus (an evolution of the Norse god Odin, both of which are ancient Pagan beliefs), or Jingle Bells (Deck the Halls and mistletoe are from ancient Paganism). Jesus never saw a Douglas fir, tinsel or reindeer.

Not religious, but like the decorations, lights, parties? Ok, do that. There's no law against that. Another thought: the US is a very diverse culture. It's a country predominately of Christians, but it's not a Christian country. At last count there were approx. 29 different holidays celebrated from November to January, by different groups. Sure, Christmas is the predominant holiday; but what's wrong with saying "merry Christmas and happy holidays" to someone?

So if you want to say Merry Christmas, say Merry Christmas; if you want Christ in Christmas, put Christ in Christmas. Stop whining about what other people do or don't do. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I usually say Merry Christmas and haven’t found anyone to be offended. Happy Holidays is fine with me, also; just means that Christ is holy and worth having an entire season to celebrate. I don’t expect non- believers to acknowledge or celebrate Christ/Christmas as I do; that wouldn’t make much sense.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

Christmas a holiday for centuries celebrated as the birth of Christ - now the celebration is only about gifts, food, Santa, reindeer, snowman, elves and such. Much of society has forgotten, some of society probably don't know why Christmas was initially celebrated. A few decades ago the unbelievers and those that believed in other deities fought against the recognition of Christ and won. The words now are Happy Holidays. Very few say Merry Christmas in public places. The first five letters of the word Christmas tells us it is about Christ. Scripture tells us there will come a falling away we are witnessing the beginning.
No one is stopping you from celebrating the feast of the nativity. Choose whatever traditions you want. Go to church Christmas day. Whatever works for you.
 

endlessvoid2018

agnostic atheist
I usually say Merry Christmas, or Happy Holidays. Even though I'm not a Christian, I have no problem with saying Merry Christmas.
A lot of Christians however are unaware of the fact that Christmas has roots in paganism and the basic celebrations of Christmas were pagan traditions originally. That's why I find it ironic when somebody posts how deeply they feel about Christmas and being connected to Christ.
But sure, we will talk all about how Christmas is strictly about the birth of Christ, even though we have no idea when he was actually born,
or actually existed or not and that the holiday itself is pagan originally. Makes a lot of sense to me.
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member

Christmas a holiday for centuries celebrated as the birth of Christ - now the celebration is only about gifts, food, Santa, reindeer, snowman, elves and such. Much of society has forgotten, some of society probably don't know why Christmas was initially celebrated. A few decades ago the unbelievers and those that believed in other deities fought against the recognition of Christ and won. The words now are Happy Holidays. Very few say Merry Christmas in public places. The first five letters of the word Christmas tells us it is about Christ. Scripture tells us there will come a falling away we are witnessing the beginning.
It's a free country.
 

Rachel Rugelach

Shalom, y'all.
Staff member
Premium Member
I was in a gift shop yesterday afternoon, shopping for a Christmas gift for my Christian neighbor. She had left a basket of eight, individually wrapped, little tokens of friendship on my doorstep for Hanukkah, so I wanted to do something nice like that for her. We're always leaving stuff on each other's doorstep.

When I entered the shop and said I was looking for a Christmas present, the guy behind the counter wished me a "Merry Christmas." I wished him a Merry Christmas and told him that, actually, I'm Jewish and shopping for a present for my neighbor. He immediately wished me a "Happy Hanukkah" and I thanked him. Then, when I found the gift I wanted, he kindly gift wrapped it for me at no charge.

It probably would have been less awkward for us both if he had just initially wished me "Happy Holidays," but then I wouldn't have had the opportunity to tell him that I'm Jewish and buying a gift for a Christian friend. We had a really nice conversation and he enjoyed the funny story about how my neighbor and I do this thing with leaving stuff on each other's doorstep. He also asked me about Hanukkah traditions.

This all took place in a small shop in a semi-rural town, so no one was harried and in a rush to move along. I guess my point is that maybe people are less likely to be contentious with each other if they have an opportunity to talk with and learn from each other. I also think that this little forum here serves much the same purpose, and I just want to say that I see a lot of good coming from it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Very few say Merry Christmas in public places.
Then why do I hear it so often?
Do you it was Christians who banned the celebration of Christmas because it's making false idols, based on Pagan holiday celebrations and because people would get rowdy (revelers don't get into the Kingdom)?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Then why do I hear it so often?
Do you it was Christians who banned the celebration of Christmas because it's making false idols, based on Pagan holiday celebrations and because people would get rowdy (revelers don't get into the Kingdom)?
Actually for most of its history, Christmas was not celebrated by Protestants. It was a holy day for Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodox. That began changing in the 1900s with the publication of Dickens' "A Christmas Carol" an the poem "The Night Before Christmas."
 

CharmingOwl

Member
Well capitalism forced it on us in stores with their push to make it a secular holiday about spending money. So paganism or even satanism is not what caused Christmas to lose its faithful meaning. Capitalism did that. Don't blame the gods, don't blame the unbelievers, don't even Satan because this is not on him. This goes back to greedy corporations that have appropriated the holiday of Christianity and turned a once holy day into a time to max out all of your credit cards buying toys and electronics.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well capitalism forced it on us in stores with their push to make it a secular holiday about spending money. So paganism or even satanism is not what caused Christmas to lose its faithful meaning. Capitalism did that. Don't blame the gods, don't blame the unbelievers, don't even Satan because this is not on him. This goes back to greedy corporations that have appropriated the holiday of Christianity and turned a once holy day into a time to max out all of your credit cards buying toys and electronics.
I think most people that celebrate Christmas have a wonderful time. They have found ways to enjoy it without having it destroyed by the commercialism.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Well capitalism forced it on us in stores with their push to make it a secular holiday about spending money. So paganism or even satanism is not what caused Christmas to lose its faithful meaning. Capitalism did that. Don't blame the gods, don't blame the unbelievers, don't even Satan because this is not on him. This goes back to greedy corporations that have appropriated the holiday of Christianity and turned a once holy day into a time to max out all of your credit cards buying toys and electronics.
poppycock.
If there is blame to be assigned it rests solely on the shoulders of Christians.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
My observation growing up in a Jewish home is that Christmas has mostly been around Santa Claus, goodies, reward if you're good/punishment if you're bad for quite some time now Hence cartoons like this one

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And for Christians (and Jews), filling the pews for a short time every year rather than celebrating a vision of God every week (at least) has been a habit which shows the shallowness of many people's beliefs.

Like others, I know some who focus on Christ and real carols not on what has replaced that worship with secular songs with a "Merry Christmas" tagged on the end. Even back in 1946 THE CHRISTMAS SONG (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)lyrics ***
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
My observation growing up in a Jewish home is that Christmas has mostly been around Santa Claus, goodies, reward if you're good/punishment if you're bad for quite some time now Hence cartoons like this one

410269680_10231583498830075_1198500696644177742_n.jpg


And for Christians (and Jews), filling the pews for a short time every year rather than celebrating a vision of God every week (at least) has been a habit which shows the shallowness of many people's beliefs.

Like others, I know some who focus on Christ and real carols not on what has replaced that worship with secular songs with a "Merry Christmas" tagged on the end. Even back in 1946 THE CHRISTMAS SONG (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)lyrics ***
Just an aside, I saw somewhere that Jewish songwriters were responsible for most of the "canon" of American non-religious Christmas songs. I'm glad they lent their talents in that direction, because I love those songs.
 
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