Christianity vs Islam

[Dimi95]

The translation here is not the best. It does not say "against them", rather "alayhim" means "upon them" or "regarding them". There is a big theme in Quran that chosen guides witness people and can see their deeds.

What is the correct term according to your sources?

I think the three verses are very clear, I've already given my explanation as to why.

I understans your explenatiom ,but i would like to ask more questions.

 

[Dimi95]

No, not if one has interest and motivation to do something.
Were I to learn another language it would be Spanish, not Greek, since I am not interested in understanding the older scriptures.

I wish you all the luck

Yes you could do make your own interpretations of the Baha'i Writings using your knowledge of the Bible.

No , i would rather stick with the knowledge of the Bible, and use also other methods to determine how reliable are your claims.

Help what?

There is nothing wrong to distance yourself from the comfortable position.
It is the best way to test your mind.

Allah is the one true God of all the religions, and He came before any of the Messengers of God, so Allah did not come after Jesus, Allah came before Jesus.

Allah, the one and only God in Islam. Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name's origin can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was il, el, or eloah, the latter two used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).Dec 21, 2023

Allah | Deity, Meaning, & Facts - Britannica​

You think Britanica will give you the answers?

Uses of "El"
The descriptive title "el" (or its plural "elim") is used without reference to the one true living God in Exodus 15:11 and 11:36
"El" can also describe humans: Job 41:25; Ezekiel 32:21 are examples of instances in which the word "el" is used to describe human beings.Thus, we see that the word "el" is not a name of God but is a descriptive term denoting either deity (true or pagan) or strength.

Uses of "Elohim"
The word "elohim" literally means "gods." It is used with this denotation, with the meaning of pagan or false gods, almost 200 times, in the following verses:
Genesis 3:5; 31:30, 32; 35:2, 4
Exodus 12:12; 18:11; 20:3, 23; 22:28; 23:13, 24, 32, 33; 32:1, 4, 8, 23, 31; 34:15, 16, 17
Leviticus 19:4
Numbers 25:2; 33:4
Deuteronomy 4:28; 5:7; 6:14; 7:4, 16, 25; 8:19; 10:17; 11:16, 28; 12:2, 3, 30, 31; 13:2, 6, 7, 13; 17:3; 18:20; 20:18; 28:14, 36, 64; 29:18, 26; 30:17; 31:16, 18, 20; 32:17, 37
Joshua 22:22; 23:7, 16; 24:2, 14, 15, 16, 20, 23
Judges 2:3, 12, 17, 19; 3:6; 5:8; 6:10; 10:6, 13, 14, 16; 17:5; 18:24
Ruth 1:15
1 Samuel 4:8; 6:5; 7:3; 8:8; 17:43; 26:19; 28:13
2 Samuel 7:23
1 Kings 9:6, 9; 11:2, 4, 8, 10; 12:28; 14:9; 18:24, 25; 19:2; 20:10, 23
2 Kings 5:17; 17:7, 29, 31, 33, 35, 37, 38; 18:33, 34, 35; 19:12, 18; 22:17
1 Chronicles 5:25; 10:10; 14:12; 16:25, 26
2 Chronicles 2:5; 7:19, 22; 13:8, 9; 25:14, 15, 20; 28:23, 25; 32:13, 14, 17, 19; 33:15; 34:25
Ezra 1:7
Psalms 82:1, 6; 86:8; 95:3; 96:4, 5; 97:7, 9; 135:5; 136:2; 138:1
Isaiah 21:9; 36:18, 19, 20; 37:12, 19; 41:23; 42:17
Jeremiah 1:16; 2:11, 28; 5:7, 19; 7:6, 9, 18; 11:10, 12, 13; 13:10; 16:11, 13, 20; 19:4, 13; 22:9; 25:6; 32:29; 35:15; 43:12, 13; 44:3, 5, 8, 15; 46:25; 48:35
Daniel 11:8
Hosea 3:1; 14:3
Nahum 1:14
Zephaniah 2:11
Moreover, the word is also used to refer to angels (Psalm 8:5), so its usage is not limited to deity. Thus, one can see that "elohim" is not the name of the true God, for false gods and angels are also said to be "elohim."

Uses of "Eloah"
The title "eloah" is similar to "el" and "elohim" in its usage. The word is the singular of the plural "elohim."
2 Chronicles 32:15 ,Daniel 11:37,Daniel 11:39 , Habakkuk 1:11
In these passages, false gods are called "eloah." If this were the name of the true God, certainly no pagan god would be called by this name. Thus, we again see that the word is a noun that means "deity" and is not the name of God in the Bible.

Uses of "Elah"
"Elah" is the Aramaic term that is synonymous with "el" and "eloah" in Hebrew. It occurs primarily in Ezra, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel (since these books were written during the period when this language was predominant):
Jeremiah 10:11 , Daniel 2:11,2:47 Daniel 3:12,14,18 , Daniel 4:8-9,18 , Daniel 5:4,11,14,26
The Bible itself clearly refutes this reasoning, as one can see in the following passages where YHWH, signified in many translations by the LORD, is used:
Exodus 3:15 , Exodus 6:3
Note: Though the KJV renders this verse "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them", the first occurrence of the word "name" is not found in the Hebrew; thus, this passage does not call "El Shaddai" God’s name.)
Exodus 15:3
"The LORD [YHWH] is a warrior; The LORD [YHWH] is His name.

Deuteronomy 28:58
"If you are not careful to observe all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honored and awesome name, the LORD [YHWH] your God,

Psalms 83:18
That they may know that You alone, whose name is the LORD [YHWH], Are the Most High over all the earth.

Isaiah 42:8,47:4,48:2,51:15,54:5 , Jeremiah 10:16,16:21,31:35,32:18,33:2,46:18,48:15,50:34,51:19,51:57
Amos 4:13,5:8,9:6

What is God’s name? YHWH, not "God".

Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD [YHWH] will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD [YHWH] will be {the only} one, and His name {the only} one.

The God of the Bible, YHWH, has one name. That this is a prophecy referring to an event that was in the future in Zechariah’s day does not mean that YHWH has more than one name (cf. Exodus 3:15) any more than it means that Jehovah was not already King over all the earth. It is an eternal reality that will only become visible to all "in that day".

The usage of various terms with YHWH (the LORD) also demonstrates that these terms are viewed as descriptive while YHWH is viewed as the name of God:

Deuteronomy 4:35 , 1 Samuel 2:2 ,2 Samuel 7:22,1 Chronicles 17:20,2 Chronicles 14:11, Isaiah 45:5, Isaiah 45:21

In these passages, YHWH is who the Supreme Being is; terms such as "God" and "Savior" describe Him.

In addition to these passages, several others demonstrate the descriptive nature of the use of the term "elohim":

Genesis 27:20
Isaac said to his son, "How is it that you have {it} so quickly, my son?" And he said, "Because the LORD your God [elohim] caused {it} to happen to me."

Leviticus 19:31
‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God [elohim].

Deuteronomy 1:30
‘The LORD your God [elohim] who goes before you will Himself fight on your behalf, just as He did for you in Egypt before your eyes,

Deuteronomy 7:1
"When the LORD your God [elohim] brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girga****es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you,

Deuteronomy 11:13, 14
[13] "It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the LORD your God [elohim] and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul, [14] that He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early and late rain, that you may gather in your grain and your new wine and your oil.

Deuteronomy 12:15
"However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your gates, whatever you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God [elohim] which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the deer.

Deuteronomy 16:10
"Then you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the LORD your God [elohim] with a tribute of a freewill offering of your hand, which you shall give just as the LORD your God [elohim] blesses you;

Deuteronomy 21:10-12
[10] "When you go out to battle against your enemies, and the LORD your God [elohim] delivers them into your hands and you take them away captive, [11] and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and have a desire for her and would take her as a wife for yourself, [12] then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails.

Deuteronomy 28:13
"The LORD will make you the head and not the tail, and you only will be above, and you will not be underneath, if you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God [elohim], which I charge you today, to observe {them} carefully,

Deuteronomy 31:12
"Assemble the people, the men and the women and children and the alien who is in your town, so that they may hear and learn and fear the LORD your God [elohim], and be careful to observe all the words of this law.

Joshua 23:10
"One of your men puts to flight a thousand, for the LORD your God [elohim] is He who fights for you, just as He promised you.

2 Samuel 24:3
But Joab said to the king, "Now may the LORD your God [elohim] add to the people a hundred times as many as they are, while the eyes of my lord the king {still} see; but why does my lord the king delight in this thing?"

Nehemiah 8:9
Then Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest {and} scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, "This day is holy to the LORD your God [elohim]; do not mourn or weep." For all the people were weeping when they heard the words of the law.

Zechariah 6:15
"Those who are far off will come and build the temple of the LORD." Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And it will take place if you completely obey the LORD your God [elohim].

In these passages, the name YHWH is used to designate the name of the Supreme Being. The term "elohim" is used as a noun that describes YHWH as God, much like the usage of the other terms "el," "eloah," and "elah" do in other passages both with reference to the true God and false Gods. It is used similarly in these passages to the word "teacher" in the phrase "Mr. Johnson my teacher" (with "Mr. Johnson" being the who and "teacher" being the what). Just as the word "teacher" describes the person "Mr. Johnson," the words for God describe the Being YHWH.

We have seen, therefore, that "God" is a descriptive title describing what YHWH is, much like the words "Lord," "Father," and "King." Thus, the only logical conclusion is that "elohim," "el," "elah," and "eloah" are not God’s name, but are descriptive titles. Thus, Allah, the name etymologically related to these words, is not God’s name in the Bible, nor is any word related to it in the Hebrew or Aramaic a name of God in the Bible. We see, however, that God’s name is YHWH, and he is calles by that name.

Ask the Jews.

Do you have a point to make?

The verse made the point itself.

No, why?

Just curious.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I wish you all the luck

No , i would rather stick with the knowledge of the Bible, and use also other methods to determine how reliable are your claims.

There is nothing wrong to distance yourself from the comfortable position.
It is the best way to test your mind.

You think Britanica will give you the answers?

Uses of "El"
The descriptive title "el" (or its plural "elim") is used without reference to the one true living God in Exodus 15:11 and 11:36
"El" can also describe humans: Job 41:25; Ezekiel 32:21 are examples of instances in which the word "el" is used to describe human beings.Thus, we see that the word "el" is not a name of God but is a descriptive term denoting either deity (true or pagan) or strength.

Uses of "Elohim"
The word "elohim" literally means "gods." It is used with this denotation, with the meaning of pagan or false gods, almost 200 times, in the following verses:
Genesis 3:5; 31:30, 32; 35:2, 4
Exodus 12:12; 18:11; 20:3, 23; 22:28; 23:13, 24, 32, 33; 32:1, 4, 8, 23, 31; 34:15, 16, 17
Leviticus 19:4
Numbers 25:2; 33:4
Deuteronomy 4:28; 5:7; 6:14; 7:4, 16, 25; 8:19; 10:17; 11:16, 28; 12:2, 3, 30, 31; 13:2, 6, 7, 13; 17:3; 18:20; 20:18; 28:14, 36, 64; 29:18, 26; 30:17; 31:16, 18, 20; 32:17, 37
Joshua 22:22; 23:7, 16; 24:2, 14, 15, 16, 20, 23
Judges 2:3, 12, 17, 19; 3:6; 5:8; 6:10; 10:6, 13, 14, 16; 17:5; 18:24
Ruth 1:15
1 Samuel 4:8; 6:5; 7:3; 8:8; 17:43; 26:19; 28:13
2 Samuel 7:23
1 Kings 9:6, 9; 11:2, 4, 8, 10; 12:28; 14:9; 18:24, 25; 19:2; 20:10, 23
2 Kings 5:17; 17:7, 29, 31, 33, 35, 37, 38; 18:33, 34, 35; 19:12, 18; 22:17
1 Chronicles 5:25; 10:10; 14:12; 16:25, 26
2 Chronicles 2:5; 7:19, 22; 13:8, 9; 25:14, 15, 20; 28:23, 25; 32:13, 14, 17, 19; 33:15; 34:25
Ezra 1:7
Psalms 82:1, 6; 86:8; 95:3; 96:4, 5; 97:7, 9; 135:5; 136:2; 138:1
Isaiah 21:9; 36:18, 19, 20; 37:12, 19; 41:23; 42:17
Jeremiah 1:16; 2:11, 28; 5:7, 19; 7:6, 9, 18; 11:10, 12, 13; 13:10; 16:11, 13, 20; 19:4, 13; 22:9; 25:6; 32:29; 35:15; 43:12, 13; 44:3, 5, 8, 15; 46:25; 48:35
Daniel 11:8
Hosea 3:1; 14:3
Nahum 1:14
Zephaniah 2:11
Moreover, the word is also used to refer to angels (Psalm 8:5), so its usage is not limited to deity. Thus, one can see that "elohim" is not the name of the true God, for false gods and angels are also said to be "elohim."

Uses of "Eloah"
The title "eloah" is similar to "el" and "elohim" in its usage. The word is the singular of the plural "elohim."
2 Chronicles 32:15 ,Daniel 11:37,Daniel 11:39 , Habakkuk 1:11
In these passages, false gods are called "eloah." If this were the name of the true God, certainly no pagan god would be called by this name. Thus, we again see that the word is a noun that means "deity" and is not the name of God in the Bible.

Uses of "Elah"
"Elah" is the Aramaic term that is synonymous with "el" and "eloah" in Hebrew. It occurs primarily in Ezra, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel (since these books were written during the period when this language was predominant):
Jeremiah 10:11 , Daniel 2:11,2:47 Daniel 3:12,14,18 , Daniel 4:8-9,18 , Daniel 5:4,11,14,26
The Bible itself clearly refutes this reasoning, as one can see in the following passages where YHWH, signified in many translations by the LORD, is used:
Exodus 3:15 , Exodus 6:3
Note: Though the KJV renders this verse "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them", the first occurrence of the word "name" is not found in the Hebrew; thus, this passage does not call "El Shaddai" God’s name.)
Exodus 15:3
"The LORD [YHWH] is a warrior; The LORD [YHWH] is His name.

Deuteronomy 28:58
"If you are not careful to observe all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honored and awesome name, the LORD [YHWH] your God,

Psalms 83:18
That they may know that You alone, whose name is the LORD [YHWH], Are the Most High over all the earth.

Isaiah 42:8,47:4,48:2,51:15,54:5 , Jeremiah 10:16,16:21,31:35,32:18,33:2,46:18,48:15,50:34,51:19,51:57
Amos 4:13,5:8,9:6

What is God’s name? YHWH, not "God".

Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD [YHWH] will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD [YHWH] will be {the only} one, and His name {the only} one.

The God of the Bible, YHWH, has one name. That this is a prophecy referring to an event that was in the future in Zechariah’s day does not mean that YHWH has more than one name (cf. Exodus 3:15) any more than it means that Jehovah was not already King over all the earth. It is an eternal reality that will only become visible to all "in that day".

The usage of various terms with YHWH (the LORD) also demonstrates that these terms are viewed as descriptive while YHWH is viewed as the name of God:

Deuteronomy 4:35 , 1 Samuel 2:2 ,2 Samuel 7:22,1 Chronicles 17:20,2 Chronicles 14:11, Isaiah 45:5, Isaiah 45:21

In these passages, YHWH is who the Supreme Being is; terms such as "God" and "Savior" describe Him.

In addition to these passages, several others demonstrate the descriptive nature of the use of the term "elohim":

Genesis 27:20
Isaac said to his son, "How is it that you have {it} so quickly, my son?" And he said, "Because the LORD your God [elohim] caused {it} to happen to me."

Leviticus 19:31
‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God [elohim].

Deuteronomy 1:30
‘The LORD your God [elohim] who goes before you will Himself fight on your behalf, just as He did for you in Egypt before your eyes,

Deuteronomy 7:1
"When the LORD your God [elohim] brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girga****es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you,

Deuteronomy 11:13, 14
[13] "It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the LORD your God [elohim] and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul, [14] that He will give the rain for your land in its season, the early and late rain, that you may gather in your grain and your new wine and your oil.

Deuteronomy 12:15
"However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your gates, whatever you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God [elohim] which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the deer.

Deuteronomy 16:10
"Then you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the LORD your God [elohim] with a tribute of a freewill offering of your hand, which you shall give just as the LORD your God [elohim] blesses you;

Deuteronomy 21:10-12
[10] "When you go out to battle against your enemies, and the LORD your God [elohim] delivers them into your hands and you take them away captive, [11] and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and have a desire for her and would take her as a wife for yourself, [12] then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails.

Deuteronomy 28:13
"The LORD will make you the head and not the tail, and you only will be above, and you will not be underneath, if you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God [elohim], which I charge you today, to observe {them} carefully,

Deuteronomy 31:12
"Assemble the people, the men and the women and children and the alien who is in your town, so that they may hear and learn and fear the LORD your God [elohim], and be careful to observe all the words of this law.

Joshua 23:10
"One of your men puts to flight a thousand, for the LORD your God [elohim] is He who fights for you, just as He promised you.

2 Samuel 24:3
But Joab said to the king, "Now may the LORD your God [elohim] add to the people a hundred times as many as they are, while the eyes of my lord the king {still} see; but why does my lord the king delight in this thing?"

Nehemiah 8:9
Then Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest {and} scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, "This day is holy to the LORD your God [elohim]; do not mourn or weep." For all the people were weeping when they heard the words of the law.

Zechariah 6:15
"Those who are far off will come and build the temple of the LORD." Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And it will take place if you completely obey the LORD your God [elohim].

In these passages, the name YHWH is used to designate the name of the Supreme Being. The term "elohim" is used as a noun that describes YHWH as God, much like the usage of the other terms "el," "eloah," and "elah" do in other passages both with reference to the true God and false Gods. It is used similarly in these passages to the word "teacher" in the phrase "Mr. Johnson my teacher" (with "Mr. Johnson" being the who and "teacher" being the what). Just as the word "teacher" describes the person "Mr. Johnson," the words for God describe the Being YHWH.

We have seen, therefore, that "God" is a descriptive title describing what YHWH is, much like the words "Lord," "Father," and "King." Thus, the only logical conclusion is that "elohim," "el," "elah," and "eloah" are not God’s name, but are descriptive titles. Thus, Allah, the name etymologically related to these words, is not God’s name in the Bible, nor is any word related to it in the Hebrew or Aramaic a name of God in the Bible. We see, however, that God’s name is YHWH, and he is calles by that name.

Ask the Jews.



The verse made the point itself.


Just curious.

Your source is not the best. It neglects to mention that sometimes Elohim can be singular, to refer to the One God. Any website that makes that serious of an error should really be avoided.

 

[Dimi95]

Your source is not the best. It neglects to mention that sometimes Elohim can be singular, to refer to the One God.

Show me the verses.

 

[Trailblazer]

You think Britanica will give you the answers?

No I don't think so, but I also don't think reading a long list of Bible verses which are subject to different interpretations is going to give me the answers.

The verse made the point itself.

John 16:32-33
"Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

A verse does not make a point. People read a verse and assign a meaning and then believe it is making a point.
What meaning do you assign to that verse? What point is it making?

What does it mean for Jesus to say that the Father is with Me? How and where is the Father with Jesus?
What does it mean for Jesus to say He has overcome the world? How did Jesus overcome the world?

 

[Dimi95]

No I don't think so, but I also don't think reading a long list of Bible verses which are subject to different interpretations is going to give me the answers.

So why do you quote verses and discuss the Bible , if there are different interpretations?
To use them so it would perfectly fit into your belief?

John 16:32-33
"Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

A verse does not make a point. People read a verse and assign a meaning and then believe it is making a point.
What meaning do you assign to that verse? What point is it making?

What does it mean for Jesus to say that the Father is with Me? How and where is the Father with Jesus?
What does it mean for Jesus to say He has overcome the world? How did Jesus overcome the world?

You ask too many questions and you do not bother to see my answers.

So why would i bother further?

Take Care

 

[Trailblazer]

So why do you quote verses and discuss the Bible , if there are different interpretations?
To use them so it would perfectly fit into your belief?

Why wouldn't I quote verses and discuss them according to how I interpret them?
That is also what you do. You interpret and use them to fit what you already believe.

You ask too many questions and you do not bother to see my answers.

So why would i bother further?

Take Care

I haven't see any answers to my questions, just a long list of verses.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I haven't see any answers to my questions, just a long list of verses.

..it reminds me of another poster .. long lists of quotes from books
written by atheists on ancient history and Yahweh!

Copy & paste seems popular..
I don't mind, as long as it doesn't sprawl.

They say they don't believe in Noah's flood, but then make "a flood" themselves

 

[Trailblazer]

..it reminds me of another poster .. long lists of quotes from books
written by atheists on ancient history and Yahweh!

and we both know who that poster is!

 

[blü 2]

I respect all religions, however regarding the two major religions I think Islam is lacking one big thing. Gods son.

……He’s kind of a big deal.

Religious belief may help some people, in which case yes, why not?

But what really matters is how you live your life ─ do no harm, and treat others with decency, respect, inclusion and common sense.

How we act gives us the chance to improve the world, not how we believe. What we believe only matters to the extent that it helps us to act properly.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Show me the verses.

I really only need to show you one to illustrate. Genesis 1:1

אבְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

No one, absolutely no one, translates Genesis 1:1 to be "gods." Even your rinky dink website did not include this verse as an example of "gods."

 

[1213]

Which original?
How is it known to be the original?

Possibly we don't have the original. In this case I mean the oldest versions that we have.

How is a precise inerrant meaning from
an ancient language known?

I think context helps a lot.

I discern that there is no real core message
delivered by Christianity. It might appear
so only in cases of shared culture.

By what the Bible tells, a Christian means a disciple of Jesus. And a disciple of Jesus is a person who remains in word of Jesus. The words of Jesus are therefore the core message for Christians.

…The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Acts 11:26
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
John 8:31-32

 

[Revoltingest]

By what the Bible tells, a Christian means a disciple of Jesus. And a disciple of Jesus is a person who remains in word of Jesus. The words of Jesus are therefore the core message for Christians.

…The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Acts 11:26
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
John 8:31-32

Yet the diversity of belief & practice
shows little fundamentally in common.

 

[Muffled]

Religious belief may help some people, in which case yes, why not?

But what really matters is how you live your life ─ do no harm, and treat others with decency, respect, inclusion and common sense.

How we act gives us the chance to improve the world, not how we believe. What we believe only matters to the extent that it helps us to act properly.

I believe that is crucial: without the help of Jesus no-one can do those things.

 

[blü 2]

I believe that is crucial: without the help of Jesus no-one can do those things.

I know too many people who manage to do those things without the help of Jesus to agree with you.

But as I said, if belief helps people to go in that direction, I have no argument with belief.

Except on the RF debate boards, of course.

 

[Valjean]

I believe that is crucial: without the help of Jesus no-one can do those things.

I know too many people who manage to do those things without the help of Jesus to agree with you.

But as I said, if belief helps people to go in that direction, I have no argument with belief.

Except on the RF debate boards, of course.

As a mater of fact, I frequently find belief in Jesus -- Christian morality -- to be an impediment to consequentialist morality.
"Traditional values," and rule books, obviate the need to develop an internalized, principal-based morality. Tradition and divine command allow effects and consequences to be ignored; they have enabled widespread prejudice, harm and exploitation of out-groups throughout the world.

Jesus frequently enables immoral activity.

 

[Link]

What is the correct term according to your sources?

You can check most verses translations other then this one with the word, it's almost never "against". Take for example verse 1:7. Alayhim means regarding them or upon them. It does not mean "who he favored against them".

This is why it's important for translators to not embellish translations with their viewpoint. You are right in that it would be problematic in that they testify to the truth and he is against them.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sorry -- I saw "Christianity vs Islam" and assumed the thread was against the Crusades. Carry on ...

 

[Dimi95]

You can check most verses translations other then this one with the word, it's almost never "against". Take for example verse 1:7. Alayhim means regarding them or upon them. It does not mean "who he favored against them".

This is why it's important for translators to not embellish translations with their viewpoint. You are right in that it would be problematic in that they testify to the truth and he is against them.

Then why did you use 'against them in post #101?

There is none among the People of the Book but will surely believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them. | An-Nisaa : 159

So 'regerarding them' or 'upon them' does not mean 'against them'.

So that changes the narative.

The Quran as a Book it requires the reader to read it as Al-Furqan.

So you are assuming that 'so it was apeared to them' is in physical form?
That is how you get to the answer?

 

[Link]

Then why did you use 'against them in post #101?

It was my bad, I copy pasted a translation, not thinking about it.