One way we know logic is real is because of preditable effect. I haven't been to college much so you tell me if that is missing the mark. OK? We know God is real the same way.
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I know some schizophrenics that would like to argue that with you.
Replying with an insult is a strategy for some people with no answer. FYI I notice you didn't answer the question. Can logic be proved? Many things can be proved by logic but can logic be proved?
This;That's not an insult, it's factual reality. Whether or not you like that reality is irrelevant. Can logic be proved? No, not to any degree of absolute certainty. Logic is just a means humans have found which produces demonstrable results. It is a mechanism, just like mathematics, just like science. It is useful because it produces results and makes accurate predictions. Of course, nobody has faith in logic, anyone who has stopped to think about it will realize that logic is a human invention. It doesn't stop it from being a useful human invention.
is not an insult?Nobody can prove anything to God believers, they're not interested in what's true, only what makes them feel good.
This; is not an insult?
That's not an insult, it's factual reality. Whether or not you like that reality is irrelevant. Can logic be proved? No, not to any degree of absolute certainty. Logic is just a means humans have found which produces demonstrable results. It is a mechanism, just like mathematics, just like science. It is useful because it produces results and makes accurate predictions. Of course, nobody has faith in logic, anyone who has stopped to think about it will realize that logic is a human invention. It doesn't stop it from being a useful human invention.
Some people are like that. I think you say "all" believers do not care about truth.No, it's the truth. One only has to debate with believers to find that out, people who are totally incapable or unwilling to question their beliefs to find out if they're true. They just insist that they are. If you're insulted by the truth, the problem isn't on my side but on yours.
Some people are like that. I think you say "all" believers do not care about truth.
So two things then. 1) The bible is not meant to be understood by anyone but the devout (which in turn makes it useless as a piece of guiding literature)and.
2) I don't understand it because I never have ben guided by the Holy Spirit.
Makes sense. Have a great day.
I think you mean believing in something that can not be seen like Spirit is blind. We disagree. So it seems to me you are becoming what you accuse believers of being which is to stand back and consider that you might be wrong. Have you asked anyone who believes in God yet if she thinks she might be wrong?And I would argue that's true because I have yet to meet a single believer who was capable of stepping back and evaluating their beliefs objectively and critically. If they could, they wouldn't need blind faith. Blind faith is nothing to be proud of.
And I would argue that's true because I have yet to meet a single believer who was capable of stepping back and evaluating their beliefs objectively and critically. If they could, they wouldn't need blind faith. Blind faith is nothing to be proud of.
I don't think it would be easy to have faith. The point is that faith is not a positive attribute, it hinders critical thinking. Faith is the alternative to critical analysis, not the result of it.What your going through right now is the very thing I go through in my faith and it's happened a dozen times. I critically think and come to different conclusions, often that God doesn't exist. You act like its easy to have faith dude.
Faith is not a result of critical analysis. Correct. Faith is the alernative to critical analysis. No sir!I don't think it would be easy to have faith. The point is that faith is not a positive attribute, it hinders critical thinking. Faith is the alternative to critical analysis, not the result of it.
Faith is not a result of critical analysis. Correct. Faith is the alernative to critical analysis. No sir!
Faith in God hinders critical thinking about The Person of God. But not anything else.
Picture being married. Would you be happy to be married to someone who alway looked to you critically? I wouldn't. We don't look to God critically. It is rude and not humble.
That is not what I said. Applying critical thought to you personally is what I said.Sure, but the 'person of God' is the topic here - hence the relevance.
I would have no problem with my wife applying critical thought to any facet of our relationship.
It is useless to those who are rejecting of the Message of the Bible. But for those who have a mind for the Message contained within it they are lead by the Holy Spirit into understanding what they need to understand in it that they need to accept...
Let me use an analogy;
The Bible is like stairs that take you up from a lower platform to a higher platform. And each step is a portion of knowledge that one has to accept by taking that step before considering the next step (potion of knowledge) Now the first steps are pretty simple. Things like God exists and these things are evil and these things are good. The last step is accepting the Atonement of the Messiah Jesus. Now if a person rejects the first step as they are reading the Bible The Holy Spirit already knows that they shall reject the final steps indeed they will never get to them. So the person can read on but they will end up with their own interpretations that will not be correct. Because they have rejected the foundational basic principles.
Maybe yes maybe no.. I do not know you personally and i don't know if the Holy Spirit is still working on you. I am not God therefore i do not have foreknowledge of your entire life. So i do not know your personal future either way.
The Holy Spirit will work on a person He knows is going to accept the Message for an entire life time to get them to take that first step and guide them quickly up those stairs. Sometimes the first step will take a person 80 years and the rest of the steps will take that person 5 minutes. Sometimes people will make it up to the step just before the last one in 5 minutes and never take that final step.
That is not what I said. Applying critical thought to you personally is what I said.
I do not apply critical thought to The Person of God but I do apply it often to my relationship with The Person of God. More so than any scientist applies critical thought to her work, I am sure.
What's that suppose to mean? I am sure most scientists go home and do what they do apart from science. My relationship with God is all the time. Everyday. No weekends. No vacations. No 9-5.Right, you are more critical of your relationship to god than any scientist - was there a point to such a silly claim?
I think you mean believing in something that can not be seen like Spirit is blind. We disagree. So it seems to me you are becoming what you accuse believers of being which is to stand back and consider that you might be wrong. Have you asked anyone who believes in God yet if she thinks she might be wrong?
By the way Spirit cannot be evaluated objectively. It is impossible. I think it is silly you say we won't see but you do not know what you are asking us to do is impossible.