China Expels US Journalist and News Sources

[esmith]

Seems that various U.S. news sources are being expelled from China.
China expels American journalists from 3 US newspapers
Trump administration hits back after China kicks out US journalists amid coronavirus pandemic

 

[Lyndon]

take a guess who started this, it rhymes with rump

 

[sun rise]

I was wrong. We started it. China to expel US journalists in retaliatory move

 

[Revoltingest]

I was wrong. We started it. China to expel US journalists in retaliatory move

Your article doesn't quite say we started it.
Excerpted....
"Earlier this month, the Trump administration imposed limits on the number of Chinese citizens who could work as journalists in the US – the latest move in a tit-for-tat row over press freedoms."
"Tit-for-tat" strongly suggests that it's been a continuing problem.

 

[stvdv]

Your article doesn't quite say we started it.
Excerpted....
"Earlier this month, the Trump administration imposed limits on the number of Chinese citizens who could work as journalists in the US – the latest move in a tit-for-tat row over press freedoms."
"Tit-for-tat" strongly suggests that it's been a continuing problem.

Who started first need not be in the same category.
Kicking out Huawei from US, might be billions of reasons to retaliate.

They say narcissists are emotional like little children.
Tit-for-tat game these presidents play seems to confirm this.

 

[Shad]

Who started first need to be in the same category.
Kicking out Huawei from US, might be billions of reasons to retaliate.

They say narcissists are emotional like little children.
Tit-for-tat game these presidents play seems to confirm this.

Look up what Huawei has done for years. It isn't some innocent company minding it's business.

 

[stvdv]

Look up what Huawei has done for years. It isn't some innocent company minding it's business.

Thank you. You are right.
Yes, China is known for copying property and using it. And when doing such a thing, most probably they will do other things too.
But sometimes it is good strategy, to keep your enemies close, so you can keep an eye on them.
And to anger a mouse is not that bad, but to anger an enormous elephant is not that smart.
Those are tough games, that the governments have to play.
And dangerous games, with huge nuclear arsenals behind them.

Spoiler: Huawei did some 'stealing'

In 2003 Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler traveled to Shenzhen to confront Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei with evidence of Huawei's theft of Cisco IP. The evidence included typos from Cisco's technical manuals that also appeared in Huawei's, after being presented with the evidence Ren replied "coincidence".[2]
In February 2003, Cisco Systems sued Huawei Technologies for allegedly infringing on its patents and illegally copying source code used in its routers and switches.[3] According to a statement by Cisco, by July 2004 Huawei removed the contested code, manuals and command-line interfaces and the case was subsequently settled out of court.[4] As part of the settlement Huawei admitted that it had copied some of Cisco's router software.[2] Both sides claimed success – with Cisco asserting that "completion of lawsuit marks a victory for the protection of intellectual property rights", and Huawei's partner 3Com (which was not a part of lawsuit) noting that court order prevented Cisco from bringing another case against Huawei asserting the same or substantially similar claims.[5] Although Cisco employees allegedly witnessed counterfeited technology as late as September 2005,[6] in a retrospective Cisco's Corporate Counsel noted, "Cisco was portrayed by the Chinese media as a bullying multi-national corporation" and "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit".[7]

Huawei's chief representative in the U.S. subsequently claimed that Huawei had been vindicated in the case, breaking a confidentiality clause of Huawei's settlement with Cisco. In response, Cisco revealed parts of the independent expert's report produced for the case which proved that Huawei had stolen Cisco code and directly copied it into their products.[8] In a company blog post Cisco's Mark Chandler stated that the settled case had included allegations of "direct, verbatim copying of our source code, to say nothing of our command line interface, our help screens, our copyrighted manuals and other elements of our products" by Huawei and provided additional information to support those allegations.[9] Prior to Cisco providing conclusive proof in 2012 the story of Huawei's blatant plagiarism had obtained the status of folklore within the routing and switching

 

[Revoltingest]

Who started first need to be in the same category.
Kicking out Huawei from US, might be billions of reasons to retaliate.

They say narcissists are emotional like little children.
Tit-for-tat game these presidents play seems to confirm this.

Although Huawei isn't a news provider.

 

[stvdv]

Although Huawei isn't a news provider.

Thanks for pointing out my typo "to", I had "not" in mind (not sure how it became "to" though; maybe due to corona virus getting closer to me)

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanks for pointing out my typo "to", I had "not" in mind (not sure how it became "to" though; maybe due to corona virus getting closer to me)

If you do catch the virus, I'll stay at least 6' from you.
Don't take it personally.

 

[Shad]

Thank you. You are right.
Yes, China is known for copying property and using it. And when doing such a thing, most probably they will do other things too.
But sometimes it is good strategy, to keep your enemies close, so you can keep an eye on them.
And to anger a mouse is not that bad, but to anger an enormous elephant is not that smart.
Those are tough games, that the governments have to play.
And dangerous games, with huge nuclear arsenals behind them.

Spoiler: Huawei did some 'stealing'

In 2003 Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler traveled to Shenzhen to confront Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei with evidence of Huawei's theft of Cisco IP. The evidence included typos from Cisco's technical manuals that also appeared in Huawei's, after being presented with the evidence Ren replied "coincidence".[2]
In February 2003, Cisco Systems sued Huawei Technologies for allegedly infringing on its patents and illegally copying source code used in its routers and switches.[3] According to a statement by Cisco, by July 2004 Huawei removed the contested code, manuals and command-line interfaces and the case was subsequently settled out of court.[4] As part of the settlement Huawei admitted that it had copied some of Cisco's router software.[2] Both sides claimed success – with Cisco asserting that "completion of lawsuit marks a victory for the protection of intellectual property rights", and Huawei's partner 3Com (which was not a part of lawsuit) noting that court order prevented Cisco from bringing another case against Huawei asserting the same or substantially similar claims.[5] Although Cisco employees allegedly witnessed counterfeited technology as late as September 2005,[6] in a retrospective Cisco's Corporate Counsel noted, "Cisco was portrayed by the Chinese media as a bullying multi-national corporation" and "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit".[7]

Huawei's chief representative in the U.S. subsequently claimed that Huawei had been vindicated in the case, breaking a confidentiality clause of Huawei's settlement with Cisco. In response, Cisco revealed parts of the independent expert's report produced for the case which proved that Huawei had stolen Cisco code and directly copied it into their products.[8] In a company blog post Cisco's Mark Chandler stated that the settled case had included allegations of "direct, verbatim copying of our source code, to say nothing of our command line interface, our help screens, our copyrighted manuals and other elements of our products" by Huawei and provided additional information to support those allegations.[9] Prior to Cisco providing conclusive proof in 2012 the story of Huawei's blatant plagiarism had obtained the status of folklore within the routing and switching

Huawei even has issues with Canada and vice versa.

China and the US has always had a back and forth relationship as it's basis was to divide the Communist Bloc.

 

[Lyndon]

Thank you. You are right.
Yes, China is known for copying property and using it. And when doing such a thing, most probably they will do other things too.
But sometimes it is good strategy, to keep your enemies close, so you can keep an eye on them.
And to anger a mouse is not that bad, but to anger an enormous elephant is not that smart.
Those are tough games, that the governments have to play.
And dangerous games, with huge nuclear arsenals behind them.

Spoiler: Huawei did some 'stealing'

In 2003 Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler traveled to Shenzhen to confront Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei with evidence of Huawei's theft of Cisco IP. The evidence included typos from Cisco's technical manuals that also appeared in Huawei's, after being presented with the evidence Ren replied "coincidence".[2]
In February 2003, Cisco Systems sued Huawei Technologies for allegedly infringing on its patents and illegally copying source code used in its routers and switches.[3] According to a statement by Cisco, by July 2004 Huawei removed the contested code, manuals and command-line interfaces and the case was subsequently settled out of court.[4] As part of the settlement Huawei admitted that it had copied some of Cisco's router software.[2] Both sides claimed success – with Cisco asserting that "completion of lawsuit marks a victory for the protection of intellectual property rights", and Huawei's partner 3Com (which was not a part of lawsuit) noting that court order prevented Cisco from bringing another case against Huawei asserting the same or substantially similar claims.[5] Although Cisco employees allegedly witnessed counterfeited technology as late as September 2005,[6] in a retrospective Cisco's Corporate Counsel noted, "Cisco was portrayed by the Chinese media as a bullying multi-national corporation" and "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit".[7]

Huawei's chief representative in the U.S. subsequently claimed that Huawei had been vindicated in the case, breaking a confidentiality clause of Huawei's settlement with Cisco. In response, Cisco revealed parts of the independent expert's report produced for the case which proved that Huawei had stolen Cisco code and directly copied it into their products.[8] In a company blog post Cisco's Mark Chandler stated that the settled case had included allegations of "direct, verbatim copying of our source code, to say nothing of our command line interface, our help screens, our copyrighted manuals and other elements of our products" by Huawei and provided additional information to support those allegations.[9] Prior to Cisco providing conclusive proof in 2012 the story of Huawei's blatant plagiarism had obtained the status of folklore within the routing and switching

Sounds like the kind of plagiarism tactics used and abused by companies like Apple!!

 

[stvdv]

Sounds like the kind of plagiarism tactics used and abused by companies like Apple!!

Thanks for the update. So there are quite a few "rotten apples" around