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Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)

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  1. reddogs

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    John 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
    "3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

    To most scientists in the world today, the theory of evolution is no longer just a theory but is regarded as a fact. There are differences of opinion regarding the tempo, mode, and mechanisms of evolution, but the basic concepts of the theory have become an established philosophy. Even the educational systems of the world teach evolution by natural selection and the big bang as the only feasible theory of origin, to the exclusion of anything else especially creative design.

    Now natural selection in itself is not a scientific principle, as it is based on circular reasoning. By natural selection, the weaker are eliminated and the stronger survive to propagate the species. It is all started by chance, the idea of the big bang was that a tiny point of nothing started the universe and somehow life started by chance.

    The evidence for evolution is based largely on interpretation and a rationale for the long ages required for the evolutionary events to have taken place. However, each of these parameters is open to alternative explanations which also happen to be in harmony with the biblical account.

    Evolutionary scientists argue that creationism is not science, that it is based on a preconceived ideology, which excludes it from the realms of science. However, if the facts fit the biblical creation account, is it excluded?

    So is there evidence for Creation by design, was the DNA by purpose, and the form of mankind and domain made by a Creator?
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    "Cosmic ancestry holds that life is neither the product of supernatural creation, nor is it spontaneously generated through abiogenesis, but that it has existed in the universe prior to Earth. Cosmic ancestry posits that the evolutionary progression from simpler to more complex organisms utilizes preexisting genetic information and does not compose this information as it occurs.

    According to this proposition, higher life forms, including intelligent life, descend ultimately from preexisting life which was at least as advanced as the descendants. The genetic programs for the evolution of such higher forms may have been delivered to biospheres, such as the Earth's, within viruses or bacteria in the same manner as proposed by other versions of panspermia. The genetic programs may then be installed by known gene transfer mechanisms. Also, according to cosmic ancestry, life initiates Gaian processes that may environmentally alter biospheres."

    Arguments for the possible astral origin of life are summarised in theoretical panspermia. Recent evidence suggests that mechanisms other than random mutation and natural selection could play an important role in evolution - it is now apparent that horizontal gene transfer is much more widespread than previously thought. There are also many instances of genes detected in species that have no known current use for them.

    Ulrich Technau et al., "Maintenance of ancestral complexity and non-metazoan genes in two basal cnidarians" [abstract], doi:10.1016/j.tig.2005.09.007, p 633-639 v 21, Trend in Genetics, December 200

    Raible, F.; Tessmar-Raible, K.; Osoegawa, K.; Wincker, P.; Jubin, C.; Balavoine, G.; Ferrier, D.; Benes, V.; De Jong, P.; Weissenbach, J.; Bork, P.; Arendt, D. (Nov 2005). "Vertebrate-type intron-rich genes in the marine annelid Platynereis dumerilii ". Science. 310(5752): 1325–1326. Bibcode:2005Sci...310.1325R. doi:10.1126/science.1119089. ISSN 0036-8075. PMID 16311335

    Arne Kusserow et al., "Unexpected complexity of the Wnt gene family in a sea anemone", doi:10.1038/nature03158, p 156-160 v 433, Nature, 13 Jan 2005

    It is claimed that other aspects of evolution which present problems for neo-Darwinism are more easily explained by cosmic ancestry or panspermia, such as life's rapid start on Earth , punctuated equilibrium and convergent evolution.

    The primary justification for the hypothesis is claimed to be the lack of direct evidence that any natural process on Earth can cause life to originate from non-living matter, or compose genetic programs for new evolutionary features. Evidence for speciation, adaptation, variation, and optimization within narrow ranges via natural selection is not disputed.

    Bennett, C.L.; Larson, L.; Weiland, J.L.; Jarosk, N.; Hinshaw, N.; Odegard, N.; Smith, K.M.; Hill, R.S.; Gold, B.; Halpern, M.; Komatsu, E.; Nolta, M.R.; Page, L.; Spergel, D.N.; Wollack, E.; Dunkley, J.; Kogut, A.; Limon, M.; Meyer, S.S.; Tucker, G.S.; Wright, E.L. (December 20, 2012). "Nine-Year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) Observations: Final Maps and Results". 1212: 5225. arXiv:1212.5225. Bibcode:2013ApJS..208...20B. doi:10.1088/0067-0049/208/2/20.
     
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    There's a mark of intelligence embedded in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

    The significance of the semantic message "037" embedded in our genetic coding is well-explained in the following journal articles: .
    Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 "Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

    NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_037_as_a_Base_of_Biological_CodingComputing

    The human genome has 145 "alien" genes that can't be linked to any of our distant past human ancestors; these genes are in our genome from the process of horizontal gene transfer. These 145 "alien" genes, which nobody inherited from any distant past terrestrial ancestor, might have been the result of genetic engineering by advanced extraterrestrial intelligence or from a post human futuristic civilization.

    Reference:

    Expression of multiple horizontally acquired genes is a hallmark of both vertebrate and invertebrate genomes
    Genome Biology201516:50
    Expression of multiple horizontally acquired genes is a hallmark of both vertebrate and invertebrate genomes
    • Received: 25 September 2014
    • Accepted: 4 February 2015
    • Published: 13 March 2015
    Cosmic ancestry theory can often explain the transitional evolutionary changes between species that aren't well-explained by traditional Darwinian evolution.

    Viruses can insert new genes, which have never before encountered by a species, to become part of the species' genome. These transferred genes are a vital part evolution. According to Cosmic Ancestry, the horizontal transfer of genes by viruses and other means is essential for evolutionary progress.

    Three New Human Genes
    and De Novo Genes in General | What'sNEW

    Entirely novel human-specific protein-coding genes originating from ancestrally noncoding sequences have been reported by two geneticists at the University of Dublin

    Reference:

    David G. Knowles and Aoife McLysaght, "Recent de novo origin of human protein-coding genes" [abstract], doi:10.1101/gr.095026.109, Genome Research, online 2 Sep 2009.
    Discovery of novel genes..., by EurekAlert!, 1 Sep 2009.
    Genes That Make Us Human, by Elizabeth Pennisi, ScienceNOW, 1 Sep 2009.
    Three human genes evolved from junk, by Michael Le Page, NewScientist, 3 Sep 2009.
    Which Genes Make Us Human? by Alan Boyle, MSNBC, 3 Sep 2009.

    ."Analyzing available data, they identified genes that are expressed in the human species but not in chimps. They then looked for simiar sequences in other primates, finding three. The chimp and macaque (unexpressed) sequences are nearly identical to the human one, but are interrupted by frameshifting insertions and stop codons.
    Although the three human genes are known to be expressed from several lines of evidence, their functions are not definitively characterized. However one, chronic lymphocytic leukemia upregulated gene 1 (CLLU1), appears to have a role in that human disease. Its sequence among humans, compared to the matching one in chimps and macaques, is illustrated below.

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    "Multiple sequence alignment of the gene sequence of the human gene CLLU1 and similar nucleotide sequences from the syntenic location in chimp and macaque. The start codon is located immediately following the first alignment gap, which was inserted for clarity. Stop codons are indicated by red boxes. The sequenced peptide identified from this locus is indicated in orange. The critical mutation that allows the production of a protein is the deletion of an A nucleotide, which is present in both chimp and macaque (indicated by an arrow). This causes a frameshift in human that results in a much longer ORF capable of producing a 121-amino acids-long protein. Both the chimp and macaque sequences have a stop codon after only 42 potential codons." © Genome Research 2009
    CLLU1 is also disabled by a matching point insertion in the gorilla and gibbon, but not orangutan, genomes. The geneticists reason, If the ancestral primate sequence was coding, then we would need to infer that an identical 1-bp insertion occurred in four lineages independently, whereas if we infer the presence of the disabler in the ancestral sequence, then we must infer two independent 1-bp deletions. The inference that the ancestral sequence was noncoding is a more parsimonious explanation of the data, even without considering that the parallel insertion of a specific base into an identical location is probably less likely than the parallel deletion of one base. ...We hypothesize that these genes have originated de novo in the human lineage, since the divergence with chimp from ancestrally noncoding sequence.

    Consider the human nucleotide sequence designated CLLU1, 121 codons in length. A codon, three nucleotides, may encode any of 20 amino acids, or a stop. (But this sequence is a gene, an open reading frame with no stops.)
    Assume that the protein encoded by this nucleotide sequence needs ~25%, or 30, of its codons exactly right. In other words, only 1 out of 21 codons can occupy each of those 30 positions. The chance that 30 random codons will match this sequence in one trial can be estimated as

    (1/21)^30 = ~10^-40
    Assume that the remaining 91 codons in this sequence may vary widely, encoding any of 10 of life's 20 amino acids, but no stops. In other words, 10 out of 21 codons can occupy each of those 91 codon positions. The chance that 91 random codons will satisfy these criteria in one trial is approximately

    (10/21)^91 = ~10^-30

    Combining these assumptions, the chance that a given sequence of 121 random codons will constitute a working version of this gene is on the order of

    10^(-40-30) = 10^-70 ..."

    (This method copies Chandra Wickramasinghe's in The Legacy of Fred Hoyle, reviewed 2005.)

    Reference: Metazoan Genes Older Than Metazoa?, 25 Oct 1996.

    "If a new genetic program arrives by the strong panspermia process, intervening (ancestral) species should possess either nearly identical versions of it ...or nothing similar.."
    Reference: New genetic programs in Darwinism and strong panspermia, 7 Apr 2002.
    .At least some of the silent DNA is for future use ."]Reference: Why Sexual Reproduction?, first posted May 1996.
    "Point mutations and other simple mechanisms can switch existing programs off and on."
    Reference: Testing Darwinism versus Cosmic Ancestry, 24 Nov 2002
    "This process would ...depend on sophisticated software management that can recognize an installed program."
    Reference: Duplication Makes A New Primate Gene, 21 Feb 2005.
    "New genetic programs will be continually offered for testing."
    Reference: How is it Possible?
     
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    This thread appears in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church DIR. Any posts from members who do not identify as such are subject to moderation under Rule 10.
     
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    The numeric and semantic message of 037 embedded in our genetic code is indeed "primia facie" evidence our genetic code was created by extraterrestrial intelligence.




    The authors who discovered this mark of intelligence embedded in our genetic code show that "the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

    Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. http://earth-chronicles.ru/Publications_12/35/64182102-1-s2.0-s0019103513000791-main.pdf
     
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    I'm now self identified as being a Seventh Day Adventist; I recognize Saturday as the correct day of Sabbath. The Seven Day Adventist religion could argue the mark of extraterrestrial intelligence in our genetic code was put in place by God, so then my posts in support of cosmic ancestry theory are not contradictory to the Seventh Day Adventist belief in creationism or observance of Saturday as being a day of Sabbath.
     
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    This is a thread for us Seventh Day Adventists, you are Catholic, I don't believe you should be posting here in this section especially reserved for us Seventh Day Adventists.
     
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