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Can someone explain the Trinity please...

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Youtellme, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. katiemygirl

    katiemygirl CHRISTIAN

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    God stopped talking audibly to men when the last apostle died. There are no new revelations. God's word is complete. It is all we need.

    Think of what you are suggesting. If God spoke to men audibly today as men claim, then why is it each comes away with different teachings? God is not the author of confusion. His will for us is found in the confines of His word where the message is one for all. Sadly, men confuse God's message and twist it to agree with the theology of the false teachers they have surrounded themselves with.
     
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    katiemygirl CHRISTIAN

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    Are these verses supposed to prove that God speaks audibly to man today? NOT!

    This is way off the thread topic.
     
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    katiemygirl CHRISTIAN

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    You have no respect for the word of God.

    Yes, Jesus referred to the Scriptures as the word of God. I provided Scriptures to you which show He did. You ignored them.
     
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    katiemygirl CHRISTIAN

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    Since you and other JW's seem to hold the Emphatic Diaglott is such high esteem, I thought you might be interested in reading what Dr. Griesbach, whose Greek text is in the ED, had to say about Jesus.
    1. Griesbach: Dr. J. J. Griesbach (whose Greek text - not the English part - is used in the Emphatic Diaglott): "So numerous and clear are the arguments and testimonies of Scriptures in favor of the true Deity of Christ, that I can hardly imagine how, upon the admission of the Divine authority of Scripture, and with regard to fair rules of interpretation, this doctrine can by any man be called in doubt. Especially the passage, John 1:1-3, is so clear and so superior to all exception, that by no daring efforts of either commentators or critics can it be snatched out of the hands of the defenders of the truth."
    What say you Cataway?
     
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    Nope, wrong again... I never said that Jesus was a sinner. Jesus had the same sin nature as us, but never sinned. God was working through His son. That's how he could do that. Jesus had to conquer sin. Which he did. Jesus got baptised to show God is right. The sin nature has to be put to death in baptism (symbollically). I new man arises (symbollically). We should be doing the same. When we get baptised, we symbollically die with Christ and are raised when we come out of the water. Now, we are "in Christ". Jesus wasnt repenting on anything. He was showing the his Father (not himself) is right. Jesus WAS the perfect sacrifice. Sinless son of God and son of man. I

    Just keep in mind.... only the custom-written NWT that no one else uses (hint) tells us that Jesus is God.
     
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    My Word of God is living and active in me and speaking. . And written all inside of me. Not an exalted and worshipped book. Not lowering God to a means of a book. Anyone could either A) have respect for something alive and active in their life which is truth and Spirit, or B) respect a book and man.
    I forgive you for that judgement. I'm aware that was your carnality speaking and not the Spirit leading. The bible can be your final authority but the Spirit is my final authority with everything written inside of me, and being spoken to me. Many blessings to you, and may you see more light.
     
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    katiemygirl CHRISTIAN

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    You have the freedom to believe what you want.

    I forgive you for saying I am not led by the Spirit.

    I wish you the same, my friend. May you see more light.
     
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    1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    We can determine base on facts, i.e., from the Scriptures, whether a preacher is from God or from the devil, “the father of lies” –see John 8:44.

    Let me ask you and all the JW in this thread. Do you believe or acknowledge that the Lord Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh based on John 1:1 “and the Word was God” and John 1:14 “and the Word became flesh”? A simple yes or no
     
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    What it is that you cannot understand from John 1:14 “and the Word became flesh”? Who is this “Word” that “became flesh”? Try “Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
     
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    "I" can't believe anything... What "I" choose to believe will always be a lie. "I" don't teach myself. "I" has been gone to truth. What "anyone" chooses to believe in their own will always be a lie. Our minds are our own worst enemies.
     
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    Is that a NO?

    then we got one for the devil
     
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    Getting back to the Trinity in discussion, the bible has replaced the Son and the Christ in the Trinity as authority. So, as it has stood in this forum as of recent... The current Trinity in discussion is the Father, the bible, and the Holy Spirit. Man's new intercessor to God has become the bible. The Lords authority gone on heaven and earth and replaced by the bible and mankind. Therefore, the new question in discussion is if the bible is God, if the Son of God is the bible, if the Christ is the bible, if Jesus is the bible. So, is the bible God? Thoughts?
     
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    try Moffatt “a young woman with child”

    wrong “and the Word became flesh” and NOT the gods

    Please read and understand post #965
     
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    Simply put,there is no trinity.
     
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    This is a wide and accepted theory based on wrong interpretations and misconceptions of men.The truth is there is no trinity, and Jesus is not God the Almighty.He is the Son of God the Almighty.When Jesus says he and the father are one,Jesus speaks of a spiritual union,not a literal one.The holy spirit is never mentioned in this verse being in union with Jesus and God.Not only this but Jesus calls God, his God, and the peoples.God the Almighty does not pray or have a God he worships.Here are some passages that show what I speak of.

    John 10:29,30.…29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

    (the holy spirit is never mentioned in union with them.)

    If people think that it is a literal union Jesus speaks of, here is a passage that will clarify that it is only a spiritual union.

    John 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
    So if people are under the impression that it speaks of a literal union,then this passage would mean that the people are also part of a trinity.

    Of course this is not true.It is a misconception.Also,the holy spirit again is never mentioned in this union.It is between God,Jesus and the faithful followers.

    John 13:35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples,if you love one another."

    John 20:17
    Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

    These passages clearly show that Jesus was a servant of God the Almighty, and worshipped Him.It also shows that there is no trinity like many assume.It is a spiritual union,not a literal one.



    Jesus did exist before his human existence.He was a spirit who was with God.He came to earth and accomplished his mission.Died and was risen.He then ascended back to heaven where he is a spirit once more.It was Jesus that was with God the Almighty when man was being created.

    Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,

    Proverbs 8:22 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    “Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works.”

    Proverbs 8:30 English Standard Version
    then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,


    The truth of the matter is that many do not have an accurate knowledge of the truth.Many go by what religious establishments say and teach which is always unbiblical and according to traditions and man made beliefs.Many need to actually pray,read and study the holy scriptures to fully understand.Many believe these establishments with billions of people is the way.The HS says the opposite.

    Matthew 7:13 New International Version
    "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
     
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    Good grief, girl! Yes! Think of what He is suggesting! God did stop talking to mankind after the deaths of the apostles and look what happened! It was precisely because all that was left was a book that we ended up with over 30,000 different Christian denominations today. Had apostles and prophets led the Church continuously since Christ's death, the false teachings you speak of would never have arisen. The philosophies of men would not have corrupted the gospel. Christians everywhere would have confidence in these men, and know that the Lord was, in fact, directing His Church through these men, and they would be directed to interpret the scriptures the way they were intended to be interpreted.
     
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    You just proved my point. Others, besides Joseph Smith, who thought God spoke to them personally and gave them new revelations are: David Koresh, Jim Jones, Sun Hui East, Ellen White, Charles Manson, Marshall Applegate, L. Ron Hubbard, Sun Myung Moon, David Berg, Warren Jeffs, and so on.

    These people all claim that God spoke to them personally and apart from the word of God. The result: CULTS
     
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    This is true.God does not talk to people anymore as He did before with the prophets.
     
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