Apparently, b depends on a, and c then depends on a. If you can't get "a"/alpha right, how are you going to get "c"/omega right. Omega is the end, and while the "end" may be behind the door (Mt 24:33), Omega still remains behind the door, and the "king" does not rule over the world with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16) at this time. Logic is a step process with many false analogies along the way. I am the Truth and the Way, does not depend on your soft science and its 267 genders, and its perverted logic.
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Dimi95
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This proves that you are selective on verses in Revelation.
'I am the Truth and the Way' is a claim which you have demonstrated that you don't understand.
James 1:22
'Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.'
Rules include the canon accepted, which has been in historical flux within the eastern church. Canon law of the Eastern Orthodox Church - Wikipedia
The Trinity dogma of the East varies from that of the West.
In the East, man is regarded as fully man when he participates in God; in the West, man's nature is believed to be autonomous, sin is viewed as a punishable crime, …The Doctrine of the Orthodox Church: The Basic Doctrines
I used wiki to help you, not me. I will also add "orthodoxinfo.com for your information. I don't think it will help, but you never know.
I am thinking that James also says "faith, if it has no works, is dead". That is not in line with the false gospel of grace, which "Christianity" holds onto. I also think that James does not come within the book of Revelation. The "Word", "Word of God", includes the Law and the prophets. In what way are you a "doer of the Word"? According to James 1;21, one is to put aside "wickedness", which is lawlessness. How are you keeping James 1:21, which precedes James 1;22?
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Dimi95
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This also proves that you don't know a thing about Orthodoxy
Dimi95
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I told you also that you don't understand what is theosis.
With every answer that you give it is more obvious that you are clueless when you are talking about language and root of words.
I have to get up early for work , i will answer your non sense tommorow.
Eastern Christian theology (theosis) is just as bogus as Western Christian theology. Athanasius of Alexandria, a primary proponent of the Trinity dogma at the Council of Nicene, and the source of the most accepted canon of the Christian churches, was no more holy than his Roman church, in spite of what he wrote concerning his eastern theology. Your "logic" breaks down when you sink to the level of the primary input being the theology of Athanasius, a comrade of the Roman emperor Constantine at the Council of Nicaea with respect to their false dogma. Having the first premise of your logic being false, makes everything else false, logically speaking.
Balthazzar
Christian Evolutionist
The true parts, of course.
What I do know is that Paul produced the false gospel of grace/cross/lawlessness, which is the core of "Christian" belief. As for "orthodoxy", I am thinking that the orthodoxy of Putin's Moscow orthodox church will not match with yours, whatever that might be, if you are now claiming to be Orthodox.
Yes you did .. and it is not my "Ha Satan" .. but the Ha Satan of Job and the Israelites in 900BC. Your reference to Satan in Revelations .. is a reference to a different entity .. so not helpful at all.
Balthazzar
Christian Evolutionist
The law and prophets may be alluding to the law of physics and the accuracy of knowing the mechanics of - a sort of knowing what's going to happen before it happens scenario. I have no idea the tools utilized then that helped enable the "prophets" to predict events, but I'm fairly sure they operated faithfully according to the law of physics. The language utilized, well ... limited it would seem in terms of ability to clearly articulate a truth. If truth reigns supreme and grace a product of knowing through these mechanisms, then I'll submit to the premise. If not, then I'll be required to learn as I go and walk into the truth and faith concepts beyond the practical.
My narrative does not depend on the God's of Moab --- I am not the one Worshiping the Moabite God Chemosh .. You are.
YHWH - indeed acknowledges many Gods .. as does the Bible -- YHWH is fighting those other Gods from the time of Moses to the end of the first temple period .. upon which the place where YHWH's name resides is destroyed by Marduk .. and that was no coming back from that.
You were the one talking about the Rebellion of Ha Satan .. going on about the Sons of God in Genesis .. who came down and took earthly wives .. trying to insert revelations into the picture and getting it all wrong. .. You still don't know the name of Your God .. and don't know the Story .. you do not know the God of Abraham .. nor the God of Jesus. That much is clear.
Is the name of your God Jealousy ? Tell me about that God and who is more powerful .. Ha Satan .. or "Jealousy"
Balthazzar
Christian Evolutionist
My narrative depends on an accurate understanding according to truthful realities. Parts of my discourse involving my faith-based convictions are derived from moral precepts via teaching methods, which are present in even fictional stories like Aesop's fables. As much as I'd like to hold true to the old world concepts attached to my religion, I prefer to be in process, learning as I go mode as new truths are presented for my understanding. As I understand it, Satan simply represents that which is untrue, an adversary and opposed to what is true.
Who Cares about religious book keeping ? for a Religious sect whose doctrine you do not follow .. who worship God whose name you do not know .. and God you do not know of.
No kidding .. and what jurisdictions compose this Religious Sect .. who's God you do not know , worship or follow .. .. Got to learn all these rules for this God who's name he do not know .. but Chief God over the Earth "Lord Satan" but not the one from Revelation .. isn't he something ! now there is a Rule Breaker .. Heart Breaker .. Dream Maker.
Some thought was put into response .. which is good .. but some wrong conclusion. "The Adversary" is not that ..nor does it necessarily represent that which is untrue .. and it is certainly not opposed to what is true .. nor to the will of God.
You are spreaking of the wrong Satan perhaps .. that of Revelations .. but not the Ha Satan of Job -- the tester of Job .. that same Son of God was sent to test Jesus. Sent by God .... doing the will of his Father .. and basically doing his Job .. judge jury and executioner as Chief God over the Earth.
The will of the Father is "The Truth" .. the Job Title Adversary -- is for one who is a tester of souls at the behest of the Father .. the Truth .. abiding by the will of the Father .. acting in accordance with that will .. and as such a representative of Truth.
WOW .. sure had that one all backwards -- albeit with Good intention .. Satan as allegory moral test of ourselves .. but is this not what Jesus is all about .. sitting at the right hand of the Father .. Judge Jury and exicutioner .. difference being Satan has that power on earth .. Jesus has that power in heaven ..
Just saying -- how it goes according to scripture .. The Bad guy in the story ..is that God named Jealousy.. so many miss that punch line .. including you .. those stories you heard of Brother Ha Satan .. don't listen to them ... its all untrue = opposed to what is true
Ebionite
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And YHWH said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
And there came forth a spirit, and stood before YHWH, and said, I will persuade him.
And YHWH said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1 Kings 22:20-22
Balthazzar
Christian Evolutionist
Some thought was put into response .. which is good .. but some wrong conclusion. "The Adversary" is not that ..nor does it necessarily represent that which is untrue .. and it is certainly not opposed to what is true .. nor to the will of God.
You are spreaking of the wrong Satan perhaps .. that of Revelations .. but not the Ha Satan of Job -- the tester of Job .. that same Son of God was sent to test Jesus. Sent by God .... doing the will of his Father .. and basically doing his Job .. judge jury and executioner as Chief God over the Earth.
The will of the Father is "The Truth" .. the Job Title Adversary -- is for one who is a tester of souls at the behest of the Father .. the Truth .. abiding by the will of the Father .. acting in accordance with that will .. and as such a representative of Truth.
WOW .. sure had that one all backwards -- albeit with Good intention .. Satan as allegory moral test of ourselves .. but is this not what Jesus is all about .. sitting at the right hand of the Father .. Judge Jury and exicutioner .. difference being Satan has that power on earth .. Jesus has that power in heaven ..
Just saying -- how it goes according to scripture .. The Bad guy in the story ..is that God named Jealousy.. so many miss that punch line .. including you .. those stories you heard of Brother Ha Satan .. don't listen to them ... its all untrue = opposed to what is true
If Satan does not represent deception, lies, untruths, and misguidance, then what exactly? These are adversarial things that mislead us, they steal, kill, and destroy what right and true and good to understand.
Balthazzar
Christian Evolutionist
The little white embellishments utilized for the convincing of larger groups. Propaganda generalized, ha!
The father of science, Isaac Newton, studied the bible for his insights, and wrote more about "scripture" than he did about science. Newton did well, but by no means did he crack the entire code. As for the "Law", that is with respect to the 10 Commandments (Words), which were put into the ark of the covenant, and was considered holy, and is the original manifestation of the "Word of God". The ark was shrouded and anyone touching it directly died. As for the prophets, they were anointed with the Spirit of God, the spirit of prophecy, the Words from the beginning in the form of the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. The "end of the age" was determined from the beginning. Being anointed, and one with the mind and Spirit of God, the prophets were allowed access to the mind of God, and therefore what had happened and what was to happen. To understand the code of the bible, one must possess the Spirit of Revelation, the Spirit from which the Word came from. The science of today changes daily and is nothing but a contradictory series of theories, which change daily, when more data is added. Plus, the data is compromised through simple observation. Newton's practical F=ma is not exactly true, but it is very practical, and a principal foundation of engineering, when speeds are low. Go near the speed of light, and you have major problems.
You make presumptions along with the followers of sects, such as Christians, Muslims, Progressive humanist Marist, and Atheist. They all try and get their authority from others who preceded them, which would include the cultist of the CERN scientist, whose god appears to be the destroyer, whose statue is outside of their Cern office, which was built on the site of the temple of Apollo, the "dragon". The "ruler of the word" is Satan/devil, and his pawns are the kings and rulers of the world, and as with the Progressives, his mode of control, is based on the control of the message, often provided in the form of propaganda, or written statements of false prophets. One would be wise to question all things, especially those supported by "leaders", or people calling themselves "authorities".