By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Dan From Smithville]

from entomology.

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I'm guessing not from entomology. Perhaps you meant etymology? In entomology it would be insect behavior and not psychology. Anyway, you link didn't come up with anything.

And that is the flaw in science, isn’t it? It never goes beyond what it sees? Doesn’t consider all possibilities?

That isn't a flaw. It is a strength of science. What would be the value of claiming that what some scientist believed about a subject. It wouldn't tell us anything except that the scientist believed something.

It considers all the possibilities that have evidence. Why would it consider something that can't be tested?

Certainly we know how “Modern” can change meanings. Like “Modern” understanding that a man can be a woman and visa versa and then they go through great lengths of trying to convince people on how they are right.

Yes, but your definition isn't about something in hand or observable. It is a conceptual definition that may or may not actually define the soul.

Ok… where do we intersect.

We can all agree that we need a mind that will operate the physical body. And that we have a will and emotions. We can extract all the understanding of how chemicals are released to produce emotions (although we really don’t know why it does that. Why is there even an emotion of “love”, only that love produces chemicals or somehow chemicals are released at the right time to the right person to produce an emotion of love.

Sounds too complicated and it is here where we diverge. I will say Occam’s Razor will fall on my side that the soul manipulates the brain that produces the chemicals.

Occam's Razor will not help you here, since, from the perspective of science, you are adding something that isn't observable, testable or that offers additional information in any way that provides verifiable answers.

Of course, we will eventually agree to disagree.

Perhaps so, but the question of the evidence of a soul that is so obvious that some people claim it is everywhere, but can't demonstrate that evidence or the soul at the same time. It is around but never found in that version of things.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What’s your definition of objective evidence and what is your objective evidence that there is nothing beyond the physical?

What is your objective evidence that there is? I can't wait to review what you offer.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Then stop doing that, the Soul is what drives the physical body, if that isn’t the case then everyone would be controlled by the environment. You would have no way to control what you do or don’t do.

That doesn't even make sense. You claim something you can't provide one iota of evidence for is in control and that without it, it would mean the environment controls us. No. There is nothing of any sensible relevance from what you are claiming.

 

[Polymath257]

What’s your definition of objective evidence and what is your objective evidence that there is nothing beyond the physical?

We know the physical exists, so the burden of proof is on those claiming there is more.

The fact that no such evidence has ever been presented is good enough to discard the possibility as unnecessary.

 

[Polymath257]

As I mentioned before, modernized changed meanings doesn’t change the reality of what it is.

And using old definitions doesn't prove existence.

There is absolutely no testing available to understand the conscience-when it is developed or how is it developed. Likewise, personality. We can see how it works but not how it comes about.

Those are equivalent.

Actually, it is the correct use.

Again, not so. I gave the reason it is incorrect: your hypothesis of a soul explains *absolutely nothing*.

yes… there is much to learn and discover. Of course, I will have a spiritual perspective on it.

Good luck with that.

 

[JerusalemBull]

hemmm

 

[ElishaElijah]

We know the physical exists, so the burden of proof is on those claiming there is more.

The fact that no such evidence has ever been presented is good enough to discard the possibility as unnecessary.

I call that willful ignorance

 

[Subduction Zone]

I call that willful ignorance

On your part? I doubt if you can show that he was willfully ignorant in regards to your beliefs.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I call that willful ignorance

You would be incorrect. Willful ignorance is claiming facts that can't be substantiated or waving off those that can. I believe there are numerous examples of that on this thread.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That doesn't even make sense. You claim something you can't provide one iota of evidence for is in control and that without it, it would mean the environment controls us. No. There is nothing of any sensible relevance from what you are claiming.

Well I’m controlled by the Holy Spirit, by submitting my will, emotions and mind over to Him by renewing my mind by the Word of God. This is something you cannot comprehend.
How are you motivated? Society?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well I’m controlled by the Holy Spirit,

So you say. No way I or anyone could really know.

by submitting my will, emotions and mind over to Him by renewing my mind by the Word of God.

What I see is a person behaving the way they think they are supposed to. There are subtleties that seeming contradict your claimed basis for behavior.

This is something you cannot comprehend.

I'm pretty sure the evidence indicates my comprehension of this is superior than what I have seen from some.

How are you motivated? Society?

I'm motivated by honesty and am blessed by God with the ability to learn and assimilate knowledge. I am not compelled by the rules of men in a specific church to do as I'm told and ignore reality and pretend it is different.

I don't really feel a need to ask you what motivates you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You would be incorrect. Willful ignorance is claiming facts that can't be substantiated or waving off those that can. I believe there are numerous examples of that on this thread.

The Christians on this thread have had an encounter with the living God that has resulted in a change of heart, direction, purpose, hope and a future. Why would you feel the need to discard such a drastic change and deny that?
Why would you come on here and try to tell someone you know how that happened? We told you and if you like we could lead you to know how to test that? Would you like to know how?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well I’m controlled by the Holy Spirit, by submitting my will, emotions and mind over to Him by renewing my mind by the Word of God. This is something you cannot comprehend.
How are you motivated? Society?

What I find most odd is that you claim so many things, but can't seem to provide direct answers to questions. I would think that would be a piece of cake for someone claiming the authority that you do.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I'm motivated by honesty and am blessed by God

Then you know there is a spiritual realm that human beings are body, soul and spirit.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The Christians on this thread have had an encounter with the living God that has resulted in a change of heart, direction, purpose, hope and a future. Why would you feel the need to discard such a drastic change and deny that?

There you go again, putting words in the mouths of others that they didn't say. You make claims that have no evidence. That isn't putting words in your mouth about things not there. That is what you do. Since there is no means for me to know if you are honestly expressing something that happened, doing it for other reasons unknown or are completely confused. That is not denial. That is honest observation and facts.

Why would you come on here and try to tell someone you know how that happened?

I didn't. I just said I don't know that it did happen and only have the unverified word of some random individual on the internet to go by.

Why do you keep misrepresenting what I wrote?

We told you and if you like we could lead you to know how to test that?

This doesn't make sense. What are you trying to say here?

Would you like to know how?

I've already concluded what there is to learn from you, but thanks. I don't have any reason to think that I would learn more about my own faith from someone that acts in ways that I see as confounding faith.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Then you know there is a spiritual realm that human beings are body, soul and spirit.

I believe I know it. I can't show you that I know it. You can't show me or anyone else either. You just believe you can. But the evidence of this thread backs me up in my conclusion.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Then you know there is a spiritual realm that human beings are body, soul and spirit.

Quote mining is a logical fallacy and doing it doesn't help elevate you in this conversation.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So you say. No way I or anyone could really know.

What I see is a person behaving the way they think they are supposed to. There are subtleties that seeming contradict your claimed basis for behavior.

I'm pretty sure the evidence indicates my comprehension of this is superior than what I have seen from some.

I'm motivated by honesty and am blessed by God with the ability to learn and assimilate knowledge. I am not compelled by the rules of men in a specific church to do as I'm told and ignore reality and pretend it is different.

I don't really feel a need to ask you what motivates you.

FWIW, I think that you are a credit to the Christian faith.

I think you are intelligent, humble, and kind. I also appreciate the fact that you don't assert moral superiority over others because you are a Christian. In other words, you are not a pompous jerk, as I perceive the majority of the Christians I've met in person and online, including most of those I've met on RF.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Then you know there is a spiritual realm that human beings are body, soul and spirit.

I am curious, but don't expect an answer. If all you claim about yourself is true, then why do you have to resort to things like quote mining and misrepresentation? Those things confound your claims.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

FWIW, I think that you are a credit to the Christian faith.

I think you are intelligent, humble, and kindhearted. I also appreciate the fact that you do not assert moral superiority over others because you are a Christian. In other words, you are not a pompous jerk, as I perceive the majority of the Christians I've met in person and online, including most of those I've met on RF.

You are a Sweetheart.

Thank you for your kind remarks.

I try. I'm not always good at it and there are certain attitudes that rub me the wrong way. It makes being objective and forgiving more difficult.