I think we must differentiate “truth” from those areas that aren’t so clear. Truth is pretty clear.
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Or the legend grew over the first century or so.
Not always. For example, it is true that all the matter you see is made of atoms which are made from protons, neutrons, and electrons. But it is far from obvious and not even known until the last century.
Truth requires not just attention, but testing and trying to show ideas to be wrong.
Sgt. Pepper
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Since you believe those verses are true, which are presumably Jesus' words, I'm curious to know if you believe the following verses are also true.
According to the Bible, Jesus described hell as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44–49), and a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23–24). Furthermore, according to the Bible, hell is described as “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place of suffering eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur,” and the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).
You stated in an earlier post (#1,673) that you've studied about what hell and death are and that you have reason to believe the threat of burning forever in conscious torment is not something from God. However, there are several common words among the multiple scriptures I cited, and these are torment, unquenchable fire, eternal fire, everlasting, and forever and ever. I'm curious about your thoughts on these verses and how you personally interpret them.
. . . the older the religion the more tribal and exclusive.
So Christians do not sin is what you are saying. I am a Christian and try as I might, I still sin.
You aren't answering his relevant question. Why is that?
I don’t think so, since the letters were contemporary letters
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Thought I did and that was a while ago so not sure why you’re asking this question. Maybe rephrase it and personalize the question.
ElishaElijah
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No that’s not what I said, did you really read what I said ? Seemed clear
You didn't. No need to rephrase anything.
It is what you said. Then you walked it back later when prior claim was challenged. All of that was very clear.
ElishaElijah
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Well I don’t know the question you asked
ElishaElijah
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Brother go ahead and show the walk back
Are you fencing with me? Seems like it. What @metis said was very clear. You didn't provide a relevant response. Now you seem like you're doing your best to avoid further inquiry and commentary on it.
The question I asked was why are you doing all of that.
No need to answer, I have what I was looking for in what you have presented.
No worries. I've seen enough.
ElishaElijah
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As a Christian I believe this to be true from the wise King and specific:
”And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs. The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and what was written was upright—words of truth. The words of the wise are like goads, and the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd. And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.“
Ecclesiastes 12:9-14 NKJV
”And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs. The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and what was written was upright—words of truth. The words of the wise are like goads, and the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd. And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.“
Ecclesiastes 12:9-14 NKJV
Ecclesiastes 12:9-14 And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs. The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and wha | New King James Version (NK
And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs. The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and wha
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ElishaElijah
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Oh @metis I gave him the last word and liked his comment, he said it all as far as I was concerned and well done
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
When I was a Christian, some other Christians told me that they were no longer sinners since they were saved, so I just reminded them of 1 John 1:8–10.