By Faith. Why?

[2ndpillar]

Yes, the Bible considers slavery moral and legal as long as it is not from your own tribe. Foreign slaves is OK.

Paraphrased from Abraham Lincoln concerning slavery: The only moral exchange or purchase is when both parties agree and benefit.

One making a contract, putting them as an indentured slave, with regard for them working and paying off their car loan was made by persons expecting the contract to benefit both parties. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. Obama being brought to the racist U.S. and suffering the confinement of schools with white students, and having to walk through white racist shopping centers, was with the expectation of him getting a good education, and apparently with him having enough income to purchase a mansion in D.C., Martha's Vinyard, and Hawaii. Obama's father was a Muslim, which would surely make him related to part of the slave trader families of East Africa. If a Jew got into debt, they could lose their property for up to 50 years, or until a Jubilee, and lose their freedom of being a man of property. Their relief was that a Jew couldn't charge interest on a debt from another Jew. But apparently, according to the Scripture, they were not above taking a widow's property Exodus 22:22. Kind of like when the Muslims only collected taxes from kufar/kefir, not fellow Muslims. After the "day of the LORD", the "strangers"/Gentiles will summit to slavery, simply because it will be in their best interest/"benefit". (Isaiah 14:1-2).

Malachi 3:5
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me,” says the Lord of hosts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One making a contract, putting them as an indentured slave, with regard for them working and paying off their car loan was made by persons expecting the contract to benefit both parties. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. Obama being brought to the racist U.S. and suffering the confinement of schools with white students, and having to walk through white racist shopping centers, was with the expectation of him getting a good education, and apparently with him having enough income to purchase a mansion in D.C., Martha's Vinyard, and Hawaii. Obama's father was a Muslim, which would surely make him related to part of the slave trader families of East Africa. If a Jew got into debt, they could lose their property for up to 50 years, or until a Jubilee, and lose their freedom of being a man of property. Their relief was that a Jew couldn't charge interest on a debt from another Jew. But apparently, according to the Scripture, they were not above taking a widow's property Exodus 22:22. Kind of like when the Muslims only collected taxes from kufar/kefir, not fellow Muslims. After the "day of the LORD", the "strangers"/Gentiles will summit to slavery, simply because it will be in their best interest/"benefit". (Isaiah 14:1-2).

Malachi 3:5
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me,” says the Lord of hosts.

That is not being an indentured slave. An indentured slave has its life controlled by its master far more than a bank controls a person with a car loan.

Do you oppose the idea of loans/ They are actually a great good for society.

 

[2ndpillar]

It says nothing about Common Law coming from the Bible. Also it points out that the US started with common law but our system slowly changed away from that. Almost all of our laws today are legislative.

Common law came by way of the British, who relied on the Commandments.

England – Common Law.

It says nothing about Common Law coming from the Bible. Also it points out that the US started with common law but our system slowly changed away from that. Almost all of our laws today are legislative.

What did John Adams say about the Ten Commandments?
Regarding the Ten Commandments, John Adams, Founding Father and second president of the United States, wrote, “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.
The Ten Commandments in American Law | Worldview Weekend

Well, today in Progressive cities, such as New York City, Los Angelos, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, and Chicago, "anarchy and tyranny commence" and their housing prices will crash due to their anti-police policies, and anti-property regulations and tax policies of "taking from the rich", who will simply move to red states, and let their former states burn at the hands of the Progressive armies of the BLM and Antifa.

 

[2ndpillar]

That is not being an indentured slave. An indentured slave has its life controlled by its master far more than a bank controls a person with a car loan.

Do you oppose the idea of loans/ They are actually a great good for society.

The US borrows money, in the form of bonds, and their debt exceeds their income, and increases at a rate of 2 trillion dollars per year. This requires printing of fiat money which causes inflation, in which higher interest rates, the supposed cure, is evolving into a recession (loss of jobs) in which those with credit loans will not be able to pay back their loans, forcing them to lose both home and vehicle. The current indebtedness for the US is around 100 trillion dollars with respect to future Federal retirement, veteran affairs, social security, and Medicare, etc. The boomers are retiring, which means that the fewer young people due to demographics will not be able to support the retiring boomers, and the social security lock box is destined to be empty in 8 to 10 years, and with a bond rate at 4.5%, most of the US present discretionary revenue will have to go to pay interest payments. Not to make note of the fact that Banks are stuck with the cost of the repossessed cars and homes and are now on the brink of collapse because the required reserves are like 1%, and the retirement accounts in such places as California, and Illinois are already broke, and whose income is based on a falling stock market with bad bond purchases in China, based on a failing real estate market. Russia and Ukraine are among the largest grain, and fertilizer producers, and Europe stopped producing fertilizer because they can't get gas from Russia, which will cause food collapse as happened in the Progressive Sri Lanka, when they went green, and went from an exporter of food to and importer of food with skyrocketing prices, with the government without foreign exchange, as with the case of Pakistan. Rice produces 60% of the Asian calories, and the cost is up in some places 400%, and will only go higher. China is in a drought, and are buying heavily, which will only raise the price for basic food. North Korea may do well, as the poor only eat grass and bugs anyway. Apparently, they are following the new rules of the Progressive WEF.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Common law came by way of the British, who relied on the Commandments.


What did John Adams say about the Ten Commandments?
Regarding the Ten Commandments, John Adams, Founding Father and second president of the United States, wrote, “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.
The Ten Commandments in American Law | Worldview Weekend

Well, today in Progressive cities, such as New York City, Los Angelos, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, and Chicago, "anarchy and tyranny commence" and their housing prices will crash due to their anti-police policies, and anti-property regulations and tax policies of "taking from the rich", who will simply move to red states, and let their former states burn at the hands of the Progressive armies of the BLM and Antifa.

Find a valid source. That looks like it is a right wing wacko one. You need to listen to both sides of politics. Unfortunately right now the conservatives are in the wrong far more often than they are in the right.

And please, no more right wing rhetoric. The housing prices may go up and down a bit but it is not due to those factors. What is far more important is how businesses feel in those cities. If businesses like your city then housing prices will be high. I do not see New York city losing any popularity with businesses. Nor San Francisco. Seattle may be dipping a bit. We will see what happens as the recovery continues.

 

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The US borrows money, in the form of bonds, and their debt exceeds their income, and increases at a rate of 2 trillion dollars per year. This requires printing of fiat money which causes inflation, in which higher interest rates, the supposed cure, is evolving into a recession (loss of jobs) in which those with credit loans will not be able to pay back their loans, forcing them to lose both home and vehicle. The current indebtedness for the US is around 100 trillion dollars with respect to future Federal retirement, veteran affairs, social security, and Medicare, etc. The boomers are retiring, which means that the fewer young people due to demographics will not be able to support the retiring boomers, and the social security lock box is destined to be empty in 8 to 10 years, and with a bond rate at 4.5%, most of the US present discretionary revenue will have to go to pay interest payments. Not to make note of the fact that Banks are stuck with the cost of the repossessed cars and homes and are now on the brink of collapse because the required reserves are like 1%, and the retirement accounts in such places as California, and Illinois are already broke, and whose income is based on a falling stock market with bad bond purchases in China, based on a failing real estate market. Russia and Ukraine are among the largest grain, and fertilizer producers, and Europe stopped producing fertilizer because they can't get gas from Russia, which will cause food collapse as happened in the Progressive Sri Lanka, when they went green, and went from an exporter of food to and importer of food with skyrocketing prices, with the government without foreign exchange, as with the case of Pakistan. Rice produces 60% of the Asian calories, and the cost is up in some places 400%, and will only go higher. China is in a drought, and are buying heavily, which will only raise the price for basic food. North Korea may do well, as the poor only eat grass and bugs anyway. Apparently, they are following the new rules of the Progressive WEF.

Stop. You have no idea on how high finance works. Neither do I, but at least I know how a deficit is actually a good thing when managed properly. You need to be able to do a little bit of math to see this.

 

[shunyadragon]

One making a contract, putting them as an indentured slave, with regard for them working and paying off their car loan was made by persons expecting the contract to benefit both parties. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. Obama being brought to the racist U.S. and suffering the confinement of schools with white students, and having to walk through white racist shopping centers, was with the expectation of him getting a good education, and apparently with him having enough income to purchase a mansion in D.C., Martha's Vinyard, and Hawaii. Obama's father was a Muslim, which would surely make him related to part of the slave trader families of East Africa. If a Jew got into debt, they could lose their property for up to 50 years, or until a Jubilee, and lose their freedom of being a man of property. Their relief was that a Jew couldn't charge interest on a debt from another Jew. But apparently, according to the Scripture, they were not above taking a widow's property Exodus 22:22. Kind of like when the Muslims only collected taxes from kufar/kefir, not fellow Muslims. After the "day of the LORD", the "strangers"/Gentiles will summit to slavery, simply because it will be in their best interest/"benefit". (Isaiah 14:1-2).

Malachi 3:5
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me,” says the Lord of hosts.

Biblically indentured servants were Hebrews indentured to Hebrews. Foreigners were slaves to be owned, bought and sold. The ability to be bought and sold may also be applied to Hebrew female slaves.

The protection against permanent enslavement also did not apply to foreigners (Lev. 25:44-46). Men taken in war were considered plunder and became the perpetual property of their owners. Women and girls captured in war, who were apparently the vast majority of captives (Num. 31:9-11, 32-35; Deut 20:11-14), faced the same situation as female slaves of Hebrew origin (Deut. 21:10-14), including permanent enslavement. Slaves could also be purchased from surrounding nations (Eccl. 2:7), and nothing protected them against perpetual slavery. The other protections afforded Hebrew slaves did apply to foreigners, but this must have been small comfort to those who faced a lifetime of forced labor.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Common law came by way of the British, who relied on the Commandments.


What did John Adams say about the Ten Commandments?
Regarding the Ten Commandments, John Adams, Founding Father and second president of the United States, wrote, “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.
The Ten Commandments in American Law | Worldview Weekend

Well, today in Progressive cities, such as New York City, Los Angelos, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, and Chicago, "anarchy and tyranny commence" and their housing prices will crash due to their anti-police policies, and anti-property regulations and tax policies of "taking from the rich", who will simply move to red states, and let their former states burn at the hands of the Progressive armies of the BLM and Antifa.

I don't know. Too bad that you could not find a proper source to support you.

If you use right wing wacko sources why should any rational person believe you?

 

[2ndpillar]

I don't know. Too bad that you could not find a proper source to support you.

If you use right wing wacko sources why should any rational person believe you?

I think a "rational person" who wanted to know the truth by an independent source, could google what John Adams actually said. The writers of the Constitution, of whom John Adams was one of many, let their feelings about God become clear in their preamble to the Declaration of Independence, in which they refer to God and the Creator. A credible source for the Progressives would be the fake news of CNN, which preached that Trump colluded with Russia, and that the Hunter Biden Laptop was Russian disinformation, and that the covid shot kept one from getting covid.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Declaration of Independence: A Transcription | National Archives

 

[2ndpillar]

Biblically indentured servants were Hebrews indentured to Hebrews. Foreigners were slaves to be owned, bought and sold. The ability to be bought and sold may also be applied to Hebrew female slaves.

The protection against permanent enslavement also did not apply to foreigners (Lev. 25:44-46). Men taken in war were considered plunder and became the perpetual property of their owners. Women and girls captured in war, who were apparently the vast majority of captives (Num. 31:9-11, 32-35; Deut 20:11-14), faced the same situation as female slaves of Hebrew origin (Deut. 21:10-14), including permanent enslavement. Slaves could also be purchased from surrounding nations (Eccl. 2:7), and nothing protected them against perpetual slavery. The other protections afforded Hebrew slaves did apply to foreigners, but this must have been small comfort to those who faced a lifetime of forced labor.

The "slaves" of Deuteronomy 21:10-14 were not of "Hebrew origin". They were slaves belong to the Israelis that were captured in war.

Deuteronomy 21:10–14

10 When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive, 11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, 12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, 13 discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

 

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I think a "rational person" who wanted to know the truth by an independent source, could google what John Adams actually said. The writers of the Constitution, of whom John Adams was one of many, let their feelings about God become clear in their preamble to the Declaration of Independence, in which they refer to God and the Creator. A credible source for the Progressives would be the fake news of CNN, which preached that Trump colluded with Russia, and that the Hunter Biden Laptop was Russian disinformation, and that the covid shot kept one from getting covid.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Declaration of Independence: A Transcription | National Archives

An "independent source" that is bat**** crazy does not help you. And you are all over the place again.

What should I correct you on this time? How about the covid vaccine? It was never promised to be perfect. A vaccine does two things. First it lowers the odds of getting sick in the first place. It is not perfect. No vaccine is perfect, not even the measles or smallpox vaccines. Second, if one gets the disease one is much less likely to have serious complications from the disease. It makes the odds of surviving it higher. Fun fact, one of the last persons to get smallpox was a fully vaccinated health care worker that treated smallpox victims. He survived.

 

[2ndpillar]

Stop. You have no idea on how high finance works. Neither do I, but at least I know how a deficit is actually a good thing when managed properly. You need to be able to do a little bit of math to see this.

Well, I must agree with your assessment that you "have no idea how high finance works". A deficit entails paying interest on the debt and printing money to pay for the deficit spending. Printing money raises the inflation rate. Paying the debt when government bond interest is 4.5%, kind of puts the government out of the business of doing business, and that is the rate the government will have to pay in the future. The math on 30 trillion deficit dollars times 4.25%, is around $1.275 trillion according to my math, once new bonds have to be bought. The last Fed quarterly interest payment of 2022 was around $213 billion dollars, or around $800 billion per year, with many of the bonds still in their lower interest rate brackets, in the 1% range. The government revenue for 2020 was around $3.42 Trillion, which will be quickly eaten up by interest payments. To lower inflation, the Fed theoretically needs to raise the interest rate to the level of inflation, which would be 6.5%. versus the present 4.5%. The actual unfunded debt is estimated to be 100 trillion. As an example of inflation, the last I looked, the lower priced eggs were $5 per dozen, somewhat of a raise in price of approximately 248% over a year, according to one source, but with respect to what I have paid, much higher. Taxes are higher, insurance is higher, heath cost are higher, food is higher, all because of excessive printing of money to increase spending for Progressive pipe dreams of "green energy" and an ineffective covid program. Their "equity" fallacy, the wet dream of Marx, is killing the blue states. They will not be able to pay their retirees, and thencome to the Fed, who will print more money for more inflation.
US is spending record amounts servicing its national debt – interest rate hikes add billions to the cost (theconversation.com)

 

[2ndpillar]

What should I correct you on this time? How about the covid vaccine? It was never promised to be perfect. A vaccine does two things. First it lowers the odds of getting sick in the first place. It is not perfect. No vaccine is perfect, not even the measles or smallpox vaccines. Second, if one gets the disease one is much less likely to have serious complications from the disease. It makes the odds of surviving it higher. Fun fact, one of the last persons to get smallpox was a fully vaccinated health care worker that treated smallpox victims. He survived.

The initial statements were that this unapproved vaccine would prevent one from getting covid. Keep in mind that the vaccine is still not approved by the FDA. My neighbor got all the shots and has had covid at least two times that I know of and is now having other problems following his shot regime. As for the Chinese vaccine, well that apparently was totally worthless, as the lock down has ceased, the surviving Chinese rich people are flying out of China to buy Western medications and vaccines. A good source for this information is from a Chinese born statistician, and her pod cast is on YouTube under the name Lei's Real Talk, and she will use statistics to show that the death rate of the Chinese is much higher than initially declared by the CCP, which has now stopped giving out statistics on deaths, but their equivalent Chinese CDC director said to expect 3 waves of covid going into the early summer, which will affect food production, and the CCP has urged stocking up on food. My neighbor's daughter also got the shots to stay employed and has had covid at least once that I know of but now seems to have a reduced immune system because of other related problems. Follow the science, and the science doesn't support Dr. Fauci, who supported "gain of function" at the Wuhan lab, although he lied about it at Senate hearings. Maybe Pharmaceuticals should not fund federal employees.

 

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The initial statements were that this unapproved vaccine would prevent one from getting covid. Keep in mind that the vaccine is still not approved by the FDA. My neighbor got all the shots and has had covid at least two times that I know of and is now having other problems following his shot regime. As for the Chinese vaccine, well that apparently was totally worthless, as the lock down has ceased, the surviving Chinese rich people are flying out of China to buy Western medications and vaccines. A good source for this information is from a Chinese born statistician, and her pod cast is on YouTube under the name Lei's Real Talk, and she will use statistics to show that the death rate of the Chinese is much higher than initially declared by the CCP, which has now stopped giving out statistics on deaths, but their equivalent Chinese CDC director said to expect 3 waves of covid going into the early summer, which will affect food production, and the CCP has urged stocking up on food. My neighbor's daughter also got the shots to stay employed and has had covid at least once that I know of but now seems to have a reduced immune system because of other related problems. Follow the science, and the science doesn't support Dr. Fauci, who supported "gain of function" at the Wuhan lab, although he lied about it at Senate hearings. Maybe Pharmaceuticals should not fund federal employees.

No, it never was. You obviously were not paying attention. They were very pleased that the vaccine initially was over 90% effective. But viruses evolve. There is a chance that if everyone had followed protocols and had gotten vaccinated immediately the virus could have been knocked down before new varieties turned up. But sadly that did not happen. It probably could not happen There were not enough supplies globally to accomplish this. But the fact is that the vaccines still saved millions of lives. They are still saving them today.

And sadly I do not think that we can trust China too much. They have not be exactly honest with their recent deaths.

But in the US we even have proof that the vaccines work, Because in counties where people that think lead paint chips are tasty one salads, oh sorry, I mean in counties that were very high in Republican voters they also had the highest death rates from Covid. You know what political party is the science denying party today, don't you? That would be the /Republicans and they also have a lower vaccination rate.

 

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Well, I must agree with your assessment that you "have no idea how high finance works". A deficit entails paying interest on the debt and printing money to pay for the deficit spending. Printing money raises the inflation rate. Paying the debt when government bond interest is 4.5%, kind of puts the government out of the business of doing business, and that is the rate the government will have to pay in the future. The math on 30 trillion deficit dollars times 4.25%, is around $1.275 trillion according to my math, once new bonds have to be bought. The last Fed quarterly interest payment of 2022 was around $213 billion dollars, or around $800 billion per year, with many of the bonds still in their lower interest rate brackets, in the 1% range. The government revenue for 2020 was around $3.42 Trillion, which will be quickly eaten up by interest payments. To lower inflation, the Fed theoretically needs to raise the interest rate to the level of inflation, which would be 6.5%. versus the present 4.5%. The actual unfunded debt is estimated to be 100 trillion. As an example of inflation, the last I looked, the lower priced eggs were $5 per dozen, somewhat of a raise in price of approximately 248% over a year, according to one source, but with respect to what I have paid, much higher. Taxes are higher, insurance is higher, heath cost are higher, food is higher, all because of excessive printing of money to increase spending for Progressive pipe dreams of "green energy" and an ineffective covid program. Their "equity" fallacy, the wet dream of Marx, is killing the blue states. They will not be able to pay their retirees, and thencome to the Fed, who will print more money for more inflation.
US is spending record amounts servicing its national debt – interest rate hikes add billions to the cost (theconversation.com)

Yes, excessive spending is bad. One has to be careful into how big of a deficit one racks up.

Tell me, did you buy a house? Do you own your own home?

 

[2ndpillar]

But in the US we even have proof that the vaccines work, Because in counties where people that think lead paint chips are tasty one salads, oh sorry, I mean in counties that were very high in Republican voters they also had the highest death rates from Covid. You know what political party is the science denying party today, don't you? That would be the /Republicans and they also have a lower vaccination rate.

I don't know, it appears that the Progressive areas of New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersey had the highest cases per 100,000 in the whole U.S., with Illinois not far behind. The reason California did better is that it is the sunshine state, and ultraviolet rays kills the virus, but school lock downs kill the minds of children. Plus, the government subsidy for treatment was based on the diagnosis of death cause. If a guy was killed in a motorcycle accident by losing his head, it was not unknown that that death was ruled death by covid if the guy tested positive for covid.
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, excessive spending is bad. One has to be careful into how big of a deficit one racks up.

Tell me, did you buy a house? Do you own your own home?

I own my own home, but it was owner financed by an older widowed lady for around $25,000. The payment was in the $250 range but has long since been paid off. I put on a roof, new plumbing and electrical, leveled the house, and redid the kitchen and painted throughout within around 6 months. If I couldn't make payments, or paid it off, I would have given that house back, and she would have done well because of the improvements. Now my property tax is almost the same as my original monthly payment. That is not the case in today's Progressive atmosphere. Now the banks are trying to unload their bad paper to unsuspected buyers via bundled subprime based securities, probably to poorly managed Progressive retirement funds, which will result in older widows not receiving their retirement benefits. The retirement fund fiasco is around the bend. My sister's retirement fund went bust in the 2008 crash period. Probably paying California retired firemen $10,000 a month in retirement is not a good idea either. Or paying retired politicians anything is a poor idea, especially if they only served 5 years, they could pull a pension at 62 years of age, with an average payout of $74,000 per year.
What Benefits Do Members Of Congress Get After They Leave Office? - CBS Minnesota (cbsnews.com)

 

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I don't know, it appears that the Progressive areas of New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersey had the highest cases per 100,000 in the whole U.S., with Illinois not far behind. The reason California did better is that it is the sunshine state, and ultraviolet rays kills the virus, but school lock downs kill the minds of children. Plus, the government subsidy for treatment was based on the diagnosis of death cause. If a guy was killed in a motorcycle accident by losing his head, it was not unknown that that death was ruled death by covid if the guy tested positive for covid.
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

New York City has a huge population density. Commutes are in subways and buses. And they were hit before we knew what was going on. You need to think these things out a bit. Ask yourself why cities were hit so hard early. It is not that difficult to understand. We also know that the lockdown and other methods worked. But those are only a small part of the country. When i it comes to totals the losses are worse in Trump areas and there is no excuse for it besides self imposed idiocy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I own my own home, but it was owner financed by an older widowed lady for around $25,000. The payment was in the $250 range but has long since been paid off. I put on a roof, new plumbing and electrical, leveled the house, and redid the kitchen and painted throughout within around 6 months. If I couldn't make payments, or paid it off, I would have given that house back, and she would have done well because of the improvements. Now my property tax is almost the same as my original monthly payment. That is not the case in today's Progressive atmosphere. Now the banks are trying to unload their bad paper to unsuspected buyers via bundled subprime based securities, probably to poorly managed Progressive retirement funds, which will result in older widows not receiving their retirement benefits. The retirement fund fiasco is around the bend. My sister's retirement fund went bust in the 2008 crash period. Probably paying California retired firemen $10,000 a month in retirement is not a good idea either. Or paying retired politicians anything is a poor idea, especially if they only served 5 years, they could pull a pension at 62 years of age, with an average payout of $74,000 per year.
What Benefits Do Members Of Congress Get After They Leave Office? - CBS Minnesota (cbsnews.com)

The taxes have nothing to do with "being progressive". You were very very lucky. Most people cannot fall into such a situation.

Can your try to drop the word "progressive" please? You clearly do not understand the politics involved. Also don't you think that you should pay for the benefits that you receive?

 

[2ndpillar]

The taxes have nothing to do with "being progressive". You were very very lucky. Most people cannot fall into such a situation.

Can your try to drop the word "progressive" please? You clearly do not understand the politics involved. Also don't you think that you should pay for the benefits that you receive?

I pay $50/month for my truck insurance. Being in "fly over country", I drive a truck. I pay around $200 a month property tax, and around $60 for two years of registration fees as well as gas tax for fuel, as well as pay around $150 for utilities, which includes $30/month for web access, plus food cost. I am over 74, yet do not collect social security nor use Medicare, for I don't need them, and I am in better financial shape and physical shape than the government, yet I net less than $15,000 per year as a self-employed son of man, who owes no man accept a monthly credit card bill which gets paid monthly. I work when, where, and how little I want. The benefits I receive in form of roads and police service is paid in the form of my gas and property tax, as well as sales tax. Apparently, I am actually a free man on the land, who travels were I want, when I want, and yet I carry a driver's license, insurance, passport, and have a license plate. Apparently, I do understand the domestic, as well as world politics, as well as the economic realities of what is involved. The politics involved is that at age 72 plus, I don't have to pay taxes on income under $15,000, for that is my deductibility, nor do I need any more. I am my own mechanic, as well as a someone who can both fix and build a house, and someone who has prepared for the coming times, and who has their own solar system, water cistern, and a garden to help weather the coming storm. I haven't had a salary-based income since around 1972. I am my own slave holder, and a lenient one at that.