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Bowling ball universe

Francine

Well-Known Member
There is a way to reconcile a steady state universe with a big bang, which at a casual glance seem to be total opposites.

You see, the universe is about 16 billion years old, which is 5 x 10^17 seconds old. When the universe was one-tenth as old as it is now, or 1.6 billion years, it was 5 x 10^16 seconds old.

If we define an "event" as any interaction of subatomic particles (ie an electron emitting a photon, or absorbing a photon), then in the era that the universe was between 5 x 10^16 and 5 x 10^17 seconds old (today), there were a certain number of events, which we can call n.

In the era preceding this one, when the universe went from 5 x 10^15 seconds old to 5 x 10^16 seconds old, the number of events, n, was the same, even though the era only lasted one-tenth as long, because everything was on average ten times closer together. Less time was required for one event to trigger the next event.

And so on. When the universe was between 0.5 and 5 seconds old, exactly the same number of events happened in that tiny universe as happened in our universe between the time it was 1.6 billion years old and today.

When you get to the nanosecond scale, when the universe was between 5.0 x 10^10 and 5.0 x 10^9 seconds old, the universe was only the size of a bowling ball, there were still 'n' events happening, because everything was so close together. There might have been creatures living in that bowling-ball sized universe that thought their universe was enormously old and huge in scale, even though to us they live only an eyeblink after the big bang.

There might be creatures who will come long after us, when the universe is perhaps 5.0 x 10^27 seconds old, who will consider our universe as it exists today to be the size of one of THEIR bowling balls. Such creatures would consider us to be living very early in the big bang explosion. This situation would be true for all scales.

So if you grasp what I'm saying, there can be both a steady state where the universe has "always" been here, and always expanding, yet at the same time one could point to a "beginning."
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
I agree.

But, my frail mind has trouble grasping the idea that there has always been a bowling ball. Can we ever go back to before there were bowling balls? If so, what would be there?
 

Aasimar

Atheist
As an Astronomy major, I find this fascinating but I'm way too tired to actually read it lol, but you get frubals anyway cause it looks cool. I'll try to take a peak tomorrow after my coma.
 

Kungfuzed

Student Nurse
When you get to the nanosecond scale, when the universe was between 5.0 x 10^10 and 5.0 x 10^9 seconds old, the universe was only the size of a bowling ball, there were still 'n' events happening, because everything was so close together. There might have been creatures living in that bowling-ball sized universe that thought their universe was enormously old and huge in scale, even though to us they live only an eyeblink after the big bang.
Don't you mean 5.0 x 10^-10 and 5.0 x 10^-9 ?

So if you grasp what I'm saying, there can be both a steady state where the universe has "always" been here, and always expanding, yet at the same time one could point to a "beginning."
The beginning just refers to whatever point we can say is the beginning. There might be something before the big bang but we have no way of knowing at the moment so we might as well start there.
 
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