Heneni
Miss Independent
Hello everyone
Id like to compare notes regarding what you think is the meaning of being BORN again.
I have recently contemplated whether being born again means we have to be incarnated.
(NOT RE-incarnated)
But anyway, Jesus seemed determined to let us know that we must not MARVEL at the idea that we have to be born again.
Together with the above statement of Jesus and the event where he said that we must not forbid the little children to come to him for the kingdom consisted of such, I am left to believe that we are perhaps missing something regarding the meaning of being BORN AGAIN.
Tradisionally being born again, means that you receive Jesus as your lord and saviour.
I dont think that is entirely correct.
If you will indulge me, I will try to explain very briefly what I think BORN again means.
It means...YES, you HAVE to be BORN AGAIN.
Meaning you have to be born from a mother, but not as a result of the human desire but because you are born by the desire of GOD for you to be here.
If we start at the beginning, the bible says that the natural man comes first and then the spiritual. As I interpret it, it means you are born a natural man, and then you are born again, a spiritual man.
When you are born a natural man, you are born a slave. Sinful, and unable to overcome the fleshly nature.
When you are born a spiritual man, you are born free. Free to walk out of darkness and into the light
Once you were born a natural man, under the law, and a slave to sin, and since you were a slave, you had no means, or no right to leave your master.
Jesus was your randsom, to buy you from your slave master.
He set you free, and who the son sets free, is free indeed.
So when he died he set your free, BUT you need to use that freedom to walk out of darkness and into the light.
To do that you need to be born under grace, not under the law, a slave to sin.
You therefore, like Jesus have to be INCARNATED. Your spirit comes from HEAVEN and enters the body of your mother, and you are born of water, blood AND the spirit.
When you were born a natural man, you were born of water and of blood only.
This spiritual man, has been given the power to overcome sin, whereas the natural man had no such power!
Jesus was the first fruits of those that would be born of the spirit.
Jesus was said to be the ONLY one that have come from heaven.
So,...where does your spirit come from when you are incarnated?
Im not sure, really, it could be heaven, it could be paradise. Hence Jesus could tell the thief on the cross that he would see him in paradise, since he was about to go and set him free from his slave master.
So our spirits were in a very dark place, and when Jesus died he took the keys that kept our spirits locked up there and unable to leave the slave master.At that point we were free. IF we were in christ we were also RESSURECTED with him.
And our spirits joined him in heaven or paradise. It is from here that we are incarnated.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the spirit is spirit. The spirit you have when you are incarnated is powerfull to overcome the world and the evil tendencies of the flesh.
How do we know if we are born of the spirit? We do not continue to sin, since we have the power to not sin anymore. The natural man had no such power. We are overcomers in this world, since the SEED of GOD remains in us.
There is a bit of a complication though. Even though you are born a spiritual man, you need to overcome the flesh, and to those that overcome they will be called the sons of God.
So even though you are free, born free, you have to follow the path of the cross.
You have to die to the flesh nature that wars with your spiritual nature. But being born of the spirit you HAVE the power to overcome the flesh.
I think the reason God did not take away our fleshly nature is so that we make a determined decision to have nothing to do with the fleshly nature and to prove ourselves overcomers. To work out our salvation with fear and trembling. As free men and women, we have to use that freedom, NOT to sin, but to overcome!
Jesus overcame the flesh, and we have to do the same, and we CAN if we are born of the spirit.
Some people would probably ask, how do you get born by the desire of God, and not because of human desire.
Well, the spirit the bible says, is like the wind, you neither know where it comes from or where it goes. It is the spirit of God that moves over your mothers womb, were there is complete darkness and out of the darkness he creates you. And while you are in your mothers womb in complete darkness the spirit is hovering over you all the time. And like a litte seed that is planted in darkness you are born to be a light bearer.
Of course it does not mean that your mom and dad did not get up close and personal, it just means that the baby that is born, is not as a result of THEIR desire, but because the spirit of God was there when you were concieved. And so there are three witnesses to your birth. Water from your mother, blood from your mother, and the spirit, hovering over your mothers womb.
YOU were born for such a time as this!
Please let me know what your thoughts on being BORN again is.
Love
Heneni
Id like to compare notes regarding what you think is the meaning of being BORN again.
I have recently contemplated whether being born again means we have to be incarnated.
(NOT RE-incarnated)
But anyway, Jesus seemed determined to let us know that we must not MARVEL at the idea that we have to be born again.
Together with the above statement of Jesus and the event where he said that we must not forbid the little children to come to him for the kingdom consisted of such, I am left to believe that we are perhaps missing something regarding the meaning of being BORN AGAIN.
Tradisionally being born again, means that you receive Jesus as your lord and saviour.
I dont think that is entirely correct.
If you will indulge me, I will try to explain very briefly what I think BORN again means.
It means...YES, you HAVE to be BORN AGAIN.
Meaning you have to be born from a mother, but not as a result of the human desire but because you are born by the desire of GOD for you to be here.
If we start at the beginning, the bible says that the natural man comes first and then the spiritual. As I interpret it, it means you are born a natural man, and then you are born again, a spiritual man.
When you are born a natural man, you are born a slave. Sinful, and unable to overcome the fleshly nature.
When you are born a spiritual man, you are born free. Free to walk out of darkness and into the light
Once you were born a natural man, under the law, and a slave to sin, and since you were a slave, you had no means, or no right to leave your master.
Jesus was your randsom, to buy you from your slave master.
He set you free, and who the son sets free, is free indeed.
So when he died he set your free, BUT you need to use that freedom to walk out of darkness and into the light.
To do that you need to be born under grace, not under the law, a slave to sin.
You therefore, like Jesus have to be INCARNATED. Your spirit comes from HEAVEN and enters the body of your mother, and you are born of water, blood AND the spirit.
When you were born a natural man, you were born of water and of blood only.
This spiritual man, has been given the power to overcome sin, whereas the natural man had no such power!
Jesus was the first fruits of those that would be born of the spirit.
Jesus was said to be the ONLY one that have come from heaven.
So,...where does your spirit come from when you are incarnated?
Im not sure, really, it could be heaven, it could be paradise. Hence Jesus could tell the thief on the cross that he would see him in paradise, since he was about to go and set him free from his slave master.
So our spirits were in a very dark place, and when Jesus died he took the keys that kept our spirits locked up there and unable to leave the slave master.At that point we were free. IF we were in christ we were also RESSURECTED with him.
And our spirits joined him in heaven or paradise. It is from here that we are incarnated.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the spirit is spirit. The spirit you have when you are incarnated is powerfull to overcome the world and the evil tendencies of the flesh.
How do we know if we are born of the spirit? We do not continue to sin, since we have the power to not sin anymore. The natural man had no such power. We are overcomers in this world, since the SEED of GOD remains in us.
There is a bit of a complication though. Even though you are born a spiritual man, you need to overcome the flesh, and to those that overcome they will be called the sons of God.
So even though you are free, born free, you have to follow the path of the cross.
You have to die to the flesh nature that wars with your spiritual nature. But being born of the spirit you HAVE the power to overcome the flesh.
I think the reason God did not take away our fleshly nature is so that we make a determined decision to have nothing to do with the fleshly nature and to prove ourselves overcomers. To work out our salvation with fear and trembling. As free men and women, we have to use that freedom, NOT to sin, but to overcome!
Jesus overcame the flesh, and we have to do the same, and we CAN if we are born of the spirit.
Some people would probably ask, how do you get born by the desire of God, and not because of human desire.
Well, the spirit the bible says, is like the wind, you neither know where it comes from or where it goes. It is the spirit of God that moves over your mothers womb, were there is complete darkness and out of the darkness he creates you. And while you are in your mothers womb in complete darkness the spirit is hovering over you all the time. And like a litte seed that is planted in darkness you are born to be a light bearer.
Of course it does not mean that your mom and dad did not get up close and personal, it just means that the baby that is born, is not as a result of THEIR desire, but because the spirit of God was there when you were concieved. And so there are three witnesses to your birth. Water from your mother, blood from your mother, and the spirit, hovering over your mothers womb.
YOU were born for such a time as this!
Please let me know what your thoughts on being BORN again is.
Love
Heneni