Blasphemy rituals, burning bibles, black masses, ect

[Adramelek]

Do you think a christian or a muslim would hesitate to throw a bound book of pornography into a fire?

No, In their personally determined subjective universe they would find such a deed as "morally" justified. The preverbal coin has two faces.

 

[jasonwill2]

:clapI like this analysis, thanks Jason.

/Adramelek\

Why thank you

The taboo of doing either has little to do with my lack of appreciation for them. I meant exactly what I said, that it was pointless and unimpressive except to those who may be offended by those acts in the first place. A less destructive and frankly more honest and impressive thing to do would be to simply make a statement that the previous religion/creed/way is no longer something you are of a disposition to entertain as worthwhile.

While that might work on an intellectual level, that doesn't automatically apply to the subconscious and/or emotional level. I hardly see how private acts are for the benefit of those who don't even know you have done them. I don't tell people in my life about it because it's not their business, for example. Do you honestly think that a Satanist goes and does some rite in privacy and secrecy, then blabs about it to all their friends, family, and co-workers? That would be a sign of an issue... but doing it in private and not telling anyone (as it's not their friends, families, or co-workers business) doesn't indicate any problem since THERE ISN'T ANYONE to pay attention to the act, it being a solitary one.

I find it interesting how people of every supposed walk find it necessary to make judgements and assumptions about others on the same path and what they do, and what motivates them- ect. I don't know WHY I tend to think that people on the LHP should be beyond this sort of thing- but apparently people are people.

That said, burning a thing to ashes is burning a thing to ashes. People are oddly hypersensitive over the idea of the burning of a book. When you toss a book down into the inSinerator-- what do you think happens to it? Do you think it might offend your neighbors? What if you simply don't want your bible anymore, in your home- in your life and you want to throw it out and you live in a city building with an incinerator that burns the trash down in the basement.

MAGICAL EXERCISE SUGGESTION-
Toss a book into a fire- any book- and see if it magically 'turns' you "immature".

I agree, you can't generalize someone's motivations like that and be accurate. I can't help but see the irony when LHP practioners react negatively like this. If they have need of it, great! But that doesn't mean that some people may not find good use to do it a few times. Not saying to go out and do it every night, but maybe a few until they are able to destroy their negative emotions attached to the taboo and symbol.

 

[Billy goatee]

I've made ceramic effigies of religions and smashed them with very large rocks in rituals. It's pretty good.

 

[MacKinnon]

While that might work on an intellectual level, that doesn't automatically apply to the subconscious and/or emotional level. I hardly see how private acts are for the benefit of those who don't even know you have done them. I don't tell people in my life about it because it's not their business, for example. Do you honestly think that a Satanist goes and does some rite in privacy and secrecy, then blabs about it to all their friends, family, and co-workers? That would be a sign of an issue... but doing it in private and not telling anyone (as it's not their friends, families, or co-workers business) doesn't indicate any problem since THERE ISN'T ANYONE to pay attention to the act, it being a solitary one.

I've only ever burned Bibles in the privacy of my own home, and haven't told anyone I know in real life about it, just where it's relevant on this religious forum.

I noted this earlier but declined to comment, I will now. I am no further impressed with the effectiveness of the act, whether there is an audience for it or not. Actually, since this is something you say you have done more than once, I would say this highlights its uselessness. As was mentioned by Shyanekh earlier

Simply put, if after several blasphemy/destruction rituals there is still a strong emotional response to the target then chances are you need to look elsewhere in order to deal with the problem.

and Gjallarhorn

I think blasphemy can be fun, but only helpful for yourself if you do it once.

I would recommend instead of repetitive use of those acts, the enlisting of professional help if a person is beset with subconscious problems with his emotions towards any issue.

 

[NIX]

I think blasphemy can be fun, but only helpful for yourself if you do it once.

Blasphemy of a sexual nature can generate... fun... an almost limitless number of times. If you like that sort of thing.

 

[NIX]

Each time you 'cross' a specific thing- by 'doing what you're not supposed to' in regards to that thing... you have crossed a threshold. I'm not sure there's really a such thing as crossing the same threshold more than once. ? Even if you do the 'blasphemous' or 'forbidden' thing again (for whatever reason/s), that initial paradigm shifting juju cannot be reenacted or recaptured, regenerated or reused.

That said, one can enter into a whole season of 'blasphemy experimentation' or.... the deep walk into 'the forbidden'. Once the forbidden forest becomes your own... your home... the season is over. The forest is your world, and the forbidden label simply falls away and blows to the wind.

 

[jasonwill2]

I decided to count how many people were on either side of this:

Thinks it can be useful: 8

Agrees with both sides: 1

Thinks is immature: 2

Should of made this a poll lol.

Is Satanism all about anti-Christian blasphemy? No. Rebellion against Christianity is not the sole or main focus of most kinds of Satanism -- at least not for the majority of those Satanists who remain Satanists for more than a few years. For most longterm Satanists, the central aim is self-development of various kinds -- "to become as gods." For some theistic Satanists, the central point of Satanism is simply the veneration of Satan. For myself, theistic Satanis is about both the vereration of Satan and an encouragement of thinking for oneself.

At least some Satanists (I'm not sure how many) have never felt any need for rites of blasphemy at all. At the opposite extreme, some are blasphemy fetishists.

In between these two extremes, there are many Satanists for whom blasphemy -- and not just anti-Christian blasphemy -- serves some worthwhile short-term goals, primarily as part of self-initiation, or as an occasional catharsis. Likewise other kinds
of ritualized taboo-breaking.

There are also some theistic Satanists (a small minority, as far as I can tell) who practice rites of blasphemy regularly as part of a declaration of exclusive allegiance to Satan.

Some may ask: Why bother to blaspheme a "God" that you don't believe in? If you're an ex-Christian, the idea of deliberately blaspheming the Christian "God" may seem downright silly to you ... yet still, at the same time, vaguely scary somehow.

The point is to face those vague fears head-on.

By facing subconscious fears, you can overcome irrational inhibitions. Ritualized taboo-breaking can help you learn to think more independently -- on a deep level, not just an intellectual level. And it can open a gateway to your subconscious mind, thereby helping you to become more creative and perhaps even opening a door to psychic and spiritual development.

For these theistic Satanists, blasphemy against the Christian "God" may also be seen as serving other purposes in addition to the psychological ones I've mentioned, the exact purposes varying with the particular Satanist's theology. For example, it can be seen as a way of banishing the Christian "God's" influence from one's life. Or, for some, it can be seen as a way of drawing closer to Satan on the basis of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Still others believe that all gods, including Satan, are really just aspects of one God with many names, and that, by blaspheming Christian symbols, one is just blaspheming a harmful mythology or "idol," not really blaspheming God.

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What kinds of taboos should you break? Depends on your upbringing. If you were brought up Christian, then a rite of anti-Christian blasphemy is appropriate. If you were brought up, say, by Communists, then perhaps some ritualized politically incorrect talk might be better. If you were brought up by neo-Nazis, play some music by nonreligious ethnic Jews, and perhaps write and recite some poems in praise of some ethnically Jewish scientists, artists, etc. whom you personally admire. If you were brought up by vegetarians, treat yourself to a filet mignon. (Eating meat is one of the "5 M's" of the Tantrik ritual.) Whatever you do, it should be something that you are comfortable with on an intellectual level, yet still find deeply frightening or otherwise disturbing on an emotional level.

source: Blasphemy, catharsis, and self-initiation

I noted this earlier but declined to comment, I will now. I am no further impressed with the effectiveness of the act, whether there is an audience for it or not. Actually, since this is something you say you have done more than once, I would say this highlights its uselessness. As was mentioned by Shyanekh earlier

and Gjallarhorn

I would recommend instead of repetitive use of those acts, the enlisting of professional help if a person is beset with subconscious problems with his emotions towards any issue.

I still think you are just responding negatively to the stigma, as your completely against it. You say your not "impressed", but I wasn't asking you to be. My personal example was being used to support an earlier claim, as this topic was about no one in particular but just the mechanics of the act alone.

Also I have not done this "repetitively" (you can count the number of times on one hand). Because I found that I didn't need to do it after a certain point. Sure, the first time it was really shocking to me personally, but then, less so but still somewhat, and so on and so on. It's called conditioning, and you can't condition yourself overnight to stop feeling emotions to something that was ingrained into you for several years. But then, after a while, you stop feeling those emotions, because you have conditioned yourself not to, and so the need for the rites are gone.

Actually your wrong on the others' word as highlighted below, and you are now using words you disagree with just to try to prove me personally wrong:

I'm fairly certain I've given my thoughts on this elsewhere, but it can't hurt to restate them. Blasphemy is a form of taboo breaking which is essentially LHP 101 in my books so naturally I think it can be useful. Having said that in my mind such practices should serve to separate the emotional attachment you have to whatever it is you're desecrating (in this case Christianity) so you should be able to move on from blasphemy pretty swiftly.

Simply put, if after several blasphemy/destruction rituals there is still a strong emotional response to the target then chances are you need to look elsewhere in order to deal with the problem.

I made the key word larger if you didn't see that, he never said if after once.

I think blasphemy can be fun, but only helpful for yourself if you do it once. On the other hand, there are seven billion people on the Earth, most in need of a good dose of profanity. In that case, you have seven billion reasons to blaspheme.

He has also expressed to me otherwise that if you do it for fun it's a whole other thing completely.

Blasphemy of a sexual nature can generate... fun... an almost limitless number of times. If you like that sort of thing.

It can add a bit of fun, but I don't think I would call that a rite then unless it was set up as that.

 

[MacKinnon]

You did say Bibles earlier.

I've only ever burned Bibles in the privacy of my own home, and haven't told anyone I know in real life about it, just where it's relevant on this religious forum.

I noted the plural usage, which suggested to me that you had burned more than one.

It's called conditioning, and you can't condition yourself overnight to stop feeling emotions to something that was ingrained into you for several years. But then, after a while, you stop feeling those emotions, because you have conditioned yourself not to, and so the need for the rites are gone.

Which is why I see more value in seeking professional help than burning things and having secret rites of blasphemy, where there are people qualified and able to help with a problem, does it not make sense to make use of them rather than wasting energy on your alternatives?

 

[jasonwill2]

Which is why I see more value in seeking professional help than burning things and having secret rites of blasphemy, where there are people qualified and able to help with a problem, does it not make sense to make use of them rather than wasting energy on your alternatives?

Because the last guy I had was a fundie who tried to convert me? Because this is free and someone isn't stealing my money? Because this is quicker and perhaps more effective than some moron who thinks he can rationalize the source of your emotions for you?

I'll take free over money-grabbing doctors any day, and these rites are just as effective. We will just have to agree to disagree, I won't debate with you anymore on this. You really don't have any place condemning my practices, and it's quite ironic actually if we are to all call ourselves Left Hand Path. The actual place the term comes from was basically all about breaking taboos or "quick and dirty" ways to enlightenment.

So are we done arguing now?

 

[MacKinnon]

I'll agree that you at least get what you pay for. Carry on as you will.

 

[Mindmaster]

I shared one of my ideas for this awhile back, and I think it can be meaningful to do these types of practices privately and in public for different reasons. In private it is a more inner-cathartic process to me about rejecting something that invaded your personal space visibly, but in a public sense it is good to demonstrate to others in gesture your belief. I have burned bibles in the company of friends and it is a completely different experience to the private method. Privately it is often very emotional to me, but probably not in the way that you would want to share openly as there is often a lot of pain associated with it. In contrast the public experience was symbolic and crystallizing my place in the world and declaring it to those present. Letting them know I would never turn back is a valuable way to get the nay sayers off your case.

 

[MacKinnon]

I'm surprised it takes burning a bible for you to convey that message. Are they really that pushy that this was the best course of action you could think of to get them to leave you alone?

 

[Mindmaster]

I'm surprised it takes burning a bible for you to convey that message. Are they really that pushy that this was the best course of action you could think of to get them to leave you alone?

Mostly it was just an experiment at the time sort of one of the things you don't really understand until you just do it. The bible to me is a symbol of mental slavery and I really don't do things like that for show. In the one case where it happened it was mostly to share my disdain rather than to convert someone, or offend them. There are really few things you can do that non-LHP types will understand, so while it is sophomoric in some ways it is also more effective than pooping Satanic Statements and Rules of Earth on people.

Feminists toss their bras for freedom displays, gay people dress ridiculously flamboyantly, and others do worse. There are few outward ways to display support for your views without reading people the book. Sometimes simplicity is the best thing about it. Pentagrams and things such as these really don't mean much to Joe Public either that is sort of the reason for the act... So, if you think that indicates anything really guess again.

 

[MacKinnon]

In my experience, it really has been as simple as saying "I do not share your views, and reserve my right to hold my own without hindrance or need to explain them", and leaving it at that and walking away. There's nothing there for them to argue about.

 

[jasonwill2]

In my experience, it really has been as simple as saying "I do not share your views, and reserve my right to hold my own without hindrance or need to explain them", and leaving it at that and walking away. There's nothing there for them to argue about.

Geosocial differences then, it's not always that easy depending on where you live, some people just won't get any other message through their head.

 

[MacKinnon]

In which case I'd be loathe to waste any time or energy on them at all.

 

[Mindmaster]

I'd argue that most people fear what they don't understand. They're not likely to respect your view because they naturally assume most people are like them. Many people also interpret walking away as a sign of weakness so that really isn't a valid approach it may create a worse problem. If you don't speak for yourself generally the rumor mill speaks for you.

 

[MacKinnon]

It's lucky then that I am not of a disposition to trouble myself with other people's notions of weakness. They can think and do what they like with my dismissal of people I don't want to talk to, it won't worry me.

 

[Mindmaster]

I agree.

If you feel the need to burn a Bible, then it means it still has a hold on you.

Why burn the book if you don't believe in it anyway - guilt, worry perhaps?

Weak.

I have a list of good reasons:

1) Every bible burned is one less read. Stopping the insanity as this juncture is time-efficient. It saves countless adult lives and spares tons of children the torture.

2) Many of us were proselytized severely during our youth. It has no hold we have absolute hatred and disdain for everything to do with these religions. The fact that you trivialize the abuse and torment that many of us have felt at Christian hands only reinforces my disgust for your ilk. Christianity ultimately has no place for those whom for whatever reason cannot obey its dogma. Think about what that means, and then think about what it means to the people you try to force to adhere to its principles like children. Those whom agree are accepted, and those who don't are shunned and outcast. Satanism is scary for you because naturally we accept people and let them do as their nature dictates. It can't compete with this, so you move towards more divisive behavior such as stylizing the outsiders as evil or whatever. In the end the only evil is the corruption of your soul and mind which is merely a puppet now and has been robbed of its fundamental spirituality and humanity.

3) Bibles are made of this nice thin paper that just happens to be the best material I've seen to light fireplaces and bonfires. Seriously, I keep a few around just for this. Local churches provide them for free if you ask. I probably wouldn't mention the burning part...

Meh, you bore me.. I'm done..

 

[Iti oj]

as a chaote many of my spells and rituals can be seen as blasphemous .