Ban Muzzleloaders Because They Might be Used in a Mass Shooting

[Stanyon]

Even though the advocate for banning them can provide no data of mass shootings with muzzleloaders in the last one hundred years, much less provide crime statistics for them. His argument is not that it has ever happened in the last 100 years but because someone might commit one with them they should be banned.
Jumaane Williams is a New York City council member, note the "stay woke" pin he has.

This is from a few years ago:

 

[ecco]

Your commentary was vague. Also, I do not watch propaganda videos.

Does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loaders banned or does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loader proponents banned or does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loader proponents muzzled?

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm no gun expert, but wouldn't a muzzleloader be among the least effective guns for carrying out a mass shooting?

 

[Stanyon]

I'm no gun expert, but wouldn't a muzzleloader be among the least effective guns for carrying out a mass shootings?

Yes
I imagine even a semi skilled archer such as myself could do far more damage with a bow and arrow in a far less period of time.

 

[Stanyon]

Does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loaders banned or does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loader proponents banned or does Tucker Carlson want muzzle loader proponents muzzled?

Why bother replying if you have no idea what the thread is about?

 

[ecco]

Why bother replying if you have no idea what the thread is about?

Cause it's fun to write muzzle loader.

On the other hand, why start a thread with vague information?

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes
I imagine even a semi skilled archer such as myself could do far more damage with a bow and arrow in a far less period of time.

I guess being "woke" doesn't include being informed (or literate, considering the term isn't proper English.)

 

[Spirit of Light]

The best would be if all guns was illigal for prvate people. only law and military should be allowed guns

 

[Revoltingest]

...only law and military should be allowed guns

They're the worst abusers of guns.

 

[Stanyon]

The best would be if all guns was illegal for private people. only law and military should be allowed guns

Why would police need guns in an unarmed society?

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm no gun expert, but wouldn't a muzzleloader be among the least effective guns for carrying out a mass shooting?

If you ever try, I recommend a musket (smoothbore) over a rifled muzzle loader.
The former is a loose fit, & allows faster reloads. Accuracy is poor though.

 

[Mindmaster]

Yes
I imagine even a semi skilled archer such as myself could do far more damage with a bow and arrow in a far less period of time.

The bow is the fastest firing weapon next to a firearm. You certainly can do more damage if you can be on a high ground, the target isn't aware of your position, and you have a massive supply of arrows. (You can easily train to shoot one every couple of seconds). The other part is if you're far enough away... No noise at all.

The disadvantage of the bow is it's no good if you get mobbed up on, and it's large and fragile.

Another weapon, a crossbow is capable or obscene ranges though the fire rate is crap. 200-300 pound draw easy, shooting a heavier bolt, and probably twice the distance in accuracy (bows work pretty well out to 300m, crossbows even further), and they can be scoped.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why would police need guns in an unarmed society?

the would not need, but if someone should have weaponsit is the police, best if no body needed guns

 

[Stanyon]

If you ever try, I recommend a musket (smoothbore) over a rifled muzzle loader.
The former is a loose fit, & allows faster reloads. Accuracy is poor though.

You can get better accuracy with a tighter fitting patch and ball combo and a hefty powder load instead of the service load with a severely undersize ball. I own two Brown Besses and have tried a lot of different combos, at the end of the day you still have a smoothbore but it is possible to tighten up the groups quite a bit. One factor that seems to get people on the bess is that you fire with the bayonet lug as the front sight, no rear sight unless you count the tang screw.

 

[Stanyon]

the would not need, but if someone should have weaponsit is the police, best if no body needed guns

Should the police have them because criminals might have them? I think what would be criminal is not allowing law abiding citizens the means to possibly protect themselves from the very same people that the police are arming themselves against.

 

[Revoltingest]

You can get better accuracy with a tighter fitting patch and ball combo and a hefty powder load instead of the service load with a severely undersize ball. I own two Brown Besses and have tried a lot of different combos, at the end of the day you still have a smoothbore but it is possible to tighten up the groups quite a bit. One factor that seems to get people on the bess is that you fire with the bayonet lug as the front sight, no rear sight unless you count the tang screw.

We're lucky that our advice is impractical.
But the loose ball was a strategy for faster loading in the old
style of warfare, ie, lines standing & shooting at each other.

 

[Stanyon]

Another weapon, a crossbow is capable or obscene ranges though the fire rate is crap. 200-300 pound draw easy, shooting a heavier bolt, and probably twice the distance in accuracy (bows work pretty well out to 300m, crossbows even further), and they can be scoped.

Crossbow technology has come a very long way for sure

 

[Spirit of Light]

Should the police have them because criminals might have them? I think what would be criminal is not allowing law abiding citizens the means to possibly protect themselves from the very same people that the police are arming themselves against.

So you feel it is ok to shoot someone because they may harm you? or steal from you

 

[Stanyon]

We're lucky that our advice is impractical.
But the loose ball was a strategy for faster loading in the old
style of warfare, ie, lines standing & shooting at each other.

There is a joke about "pumpkin balls" which is due to the size of the ball, yes the undersize ball was for speed of firing and it didn't really matter if you hit someone center mass or not, an arm or leg hit would probably put one out of commission= less soldiers firing back =winning battles.

 

[Stanyon]

So you feel it is ok to shoot someone because they may harm you? or steal from you

I don't have a problem with harming someone who is harming me, or a loved one, or other people, shooting is a last resort.