Baha'i Vs Christ

[wizanda]

Like lets take this to pieces exegetically, how many points the Baha'i overwrite of prophecies, and theologies...

So some basics:

• Christ brings the Tribulation, and Judgement on mankind. Vs The Tribulation is metaphoric, and Judgement is miles away, because Baha'i brought world peace.
  
  
• We're down nearer to Hell, and some people can be evil. Vs There is no Hell, and people need to learn to be saints.
  
  
• Christ came to set a Snare & a Curse to test mankind; not to be a martyr. Vs Christ came to die to fulfill a plan of salvation, and martyrism.
  
  
• Heaven and Hell exist, and people will be removed into the Lake of Fire/Gehenna. Vs There is no Heaven and Hell, and since we have world peace, the fire comes much later.
  
  
• Christ told us he was the Lord, and that his father God was the Source of reality. Vs Baha'u'llah was Christ's father here on earth, and Christ is made into the son of the Lord.
  
  
• Christ fulfilled & taught reincarnation. Vs Reincarnation doesn't exist, and prophecy isn't properly examined to make things fit.
  
  
• etc...?

Please list anymore points missed.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The ones you raised are far from being right.

We never have to Vs Christ as we beleive in Christ and the Bible. Thus for a Baha'i the scriptures are in harmony and complement each other.

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

We never have to Vs Christ as we beleive in Christ and the Bible.

There is knowing it to show why, and believing parts out of context.... Why said exegesis.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is knowing it to show why, and believing parts out of context.... Why said exegesis.

In my opinion.

With that we can take God, or mans view.

I am happy to post what Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) has offered.

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

With that we can take God, or mans view.

If Baha'u'llah was claiming to be God, then he should know what came in previous revelation more accurately than what we see in Baha'i.

Tho the list is Biblically worded, we could have taken that from both a Hindu and Zoroastrian contexts as well.

I am happy to post what Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) has offered.

By all means show where that list is wrong.

Start on any scripture used from Biblical texts to justify Baha'i's view points, and we can mostly show it is bad exegesis.

In my opinion.

 

[Muffled]

I believe you left out the resurrection was to a physical body versus it just appeared that way to the disciples.

 

[Muffled]

The ones you raised are far from being right.

We never have to Vs Christ as we beleive in Christ and the Bible. Thus for a Baha'i the scriptures are in harmony and complement each other.

Regards Tony

I believe i can roll on the floor LMAO. Ba'hais and Muslims don't even come close to believing in Jesus. Basically they believe their own fantasies about Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

If Baha'u'llah was claiming to be God, then he should know what came in previous revelation more accurately than what we see in Baha'i.

Tho the list is Biblically worded, we could have taken that from both a Hindu and Zoroastrian contexts as well.

By all means show where that list is wrong.

Start on any scripture used from Biblical texts to justify Baha'i's view points, and we can mostly show it is bad exegesis.

In my opinion.

I believe the bottom line is that God does not talk the way the B man does.

 

[Vinayaka]

I believe the bottom line is that God does not talk the way the B man does.

You mean God doesn't say, "the Pearl of the Sky, the Finest Colors of the Rainbow, the Exalted one who Shall bring Everlasting Peace, The Golden Prisoner of Glory, this is what He Sayeth" when 'I say" would suffice?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe the bottom line is that God does not talk the way the B man does.

You mean God doesn't say, "the Pearl of the Sky, the Finest Colors of the Rainbow, the Exalted one who Shall bring Everlasting Peace, The Golden Prisoner of Glory, this is what He Sayeth" when 'I say" would suffice?

You are correct, God speaks to our hearts and there are many languages. God has chosen Messengers that have spoken specific languages. If we are not able to speak those languages, translations are needed.

In this age God chose Persian and Arabic as the language of Revelation, which to translate into english has its difficulties. There are no english words to describe some of the lofty thoughts given in Arabic and Persian. Thus one who knew Persian and Arabic wery well, studied the english language so more accurate translations could be made. Thus it was the King James style He chose that best rendered Arabic and Persian in a way that did not compromise the flow of the revealed Word.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe i can roll on the floor LMAO. Ba'hais and Muslims don't even come close to believing in Jesus. Basically they believe their own fantasies about Jesus.

Your opinion is worth naught in that regard.

Your mockery is not of Christ and many Muslim and Baha'i have offered their lives for Christ.

Peace be with you.

 

[Vinayaka]

You are correct, God speaks to our hearts and there are many languages. God has chosen Messengers that have spoken specific languages. If we are not able to speak those languages, translations are needed.

In this age God chose Persian and Arabic as the language of Revelation, which to translate into english has its difficulties. There are no english words to describe some of the lofty thoughts given in Arabic and Persian. Thus one who knew Persian and Arabic wery well, studied the english language so more accurate translations could be made. Thus it was the King James style He chose that best rendered Arabic and Persian in a way that did not compromise the flow of the revealed Word.

Regards Tony

Far more than King James style, unless King James was a poet describing the splendours of nature, but in this case describing one's own personality.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If Baha'u'llah was claiming to be God, then he should know what came in previous revelation more accurately than what we see in Baha'i.

Baha'u'llah did not claim to be God.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Far more than King James style, unless King James was a poet describing the splendours of nature, but in this case describing one's own personality.

Nature offers the greatest lessons about God and our spiritual life.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Nature offers the greatest lessons about God and our spiritual life.

Regards Tony

Indeed it does. I take one look at that picture, and it reminds me of Niagara Falls, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, a coral reef, such indispensable beauty the world has ever seen.

 

[Vinayaka]

Baha'u'llah did not claim to be God.

Here's a list where it sure seems that way, Tony.

https://www.quora.com/Where-in-the-writings-of-Bahaullah-does-he-claim-to-be-a-prophet

Number 10 from that list ... In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, Baha’u’llah decrees, “Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone.”


Sure seems like he's saying he's God.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

It quite easy to write over prophecies if you start your religion after another one.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Here's a list where it sure seems that way, Tony.

https://www.quora.com/Where-in-the-writings-of-Bahaullah-does-he-claim-to-be-a-prophet

Number 10 from that list ... In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, Baha’u’llah decrees, “Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone.”


Sure seems like he's saying he's God.

This is the mistake the Christains made and Baha'u'llah explains this in detail.

To show how clear it is and what he thinks about those that say this about Him, please read this passage so you can know;

"...Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces....."

Now you have to agree that is clear as day.

Christ also made it clear, so instead of trying to understand what is the relationship, people made Christ God as well.

Muhammad then Baha'ullah have cleared it up for all time.

The Messenger is a perfect unblemished mirror, in that way what we see in them is an unblemished reflection of Gods Attributes, as a reflection is not the unknowable Essence of the all mighty God.

That is also as clear as the noon day sun and is also sound biblical reasoning.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It quite easy to write over prophecies if you start your religion after another one.

Mathamatically it is no coincidence that one can fulfill all prophecy. People have tried to calculate, but the number becomes greater than all the atoms in the known universe that Baha'u'llah fulfilled prophecy by chance only.

Regards Tony

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Mathamatically it is no coincidence that one can fulfill all prophecy. People have tried to calculate, but the number becomes greater than all the atoms in the known universe that Baha'u'llah fulfilled prophecy by chance only.

Regards Tony

I don't know man there is this guy in Mexico name Lord Ryael whose claimed to do the same thing.