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Atheists say: "we do not know how from nothing came something. But it was not miracle." Do they lie?

questfortruth

questfortruth

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Is this contradiction a lie? They know nothing about nothing, but they know that it was not miracle. God did it through miracle. A miracle does not require explanation or mechanism, because explanation is not in the definition of miracle.

It was not a problem for ancient people and Sir Newton and Charles Darwin to have God of the Gaps. Gaps are there even today, and they got larger. Much larger.

What about such unknown gaps: Dark Energy, Dark Matter? They fill 94% of reality. It is a huge gap - 94%.

I deeply care for atheists. My so called "insults" are not real insults, but explanation of my position.
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
questfortruth said:
BIG BANG is proven be priest Lametra.
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May it be that because scientists can not yet measure what was before Big Bang they can't be sure it was something.

In the same way as since they can't measure it, it can't be proven by evidence that it wasn't there either.
 
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F1fan

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questfortruth said:
BIG BANG is proven be priest Lametra.
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This is a common misconception by those poorly educated and overly religious. The Big Bang wasn't a creation event, it was an expansion of existing material, called a singularity. Why this super dense mass suddenly began to expand is not yet known. It is likely the mass was unstable and the result was the spontaneous expansion, much like how oily rags in a cantainer can spontaneously combust due to the instability of the material.

Some believers will claim it was God that started the expansion, but no Gods are known to exist, so irrelevant. We can only explain how the universe works with the facts we have, and Gods, or any supernatural, is not part of the facts we can use.

There is a scientific explanation about how something can come from nothing, and that is well expalined by Lawrence Kraus.

A Universe from Nothing - Wikipedia
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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F1fan said:
We can only explain how the universe works with the facts we have, and Gods, or any supernatural, is not part of the facts we can use.
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It was not a problem for ancient people and Sir Newton and Charles Darwin to have God of the Gaps. Gaps are there even today, and they got larger. Much larger.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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questfortruth said:
Is this contradiction a lie? They know nothing about nothing, but they know that it was not miracle.

It was not a problem for ancient people and Sir Newton and Charles Darwin to have God of the Gaps. Gaps are there even today, and they got larger. Much larger.
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May I recommend that you read this book by Laurence Krauss ...
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
questfortruth said:
Lady, am I out of the black list of the damned ones?
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Why do you always think you are condemned or black listed?

May it be that you create that only in your mind, because people tend to disagree with your views, belief and scientific point of view?

Maybe it is more wise to not blame others for your own suffering?
 
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F1fan

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questfortruth said:
It was not a problem for ancient people and Sir Newton and Charles Darwin to have God of the Gaps. Gaps are there even today, and they got larger. Much larger.
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Those who are religious can still get science right, they know they need to set their religion aside. What is your excuse for excessive belief and getting science wrong so often? There are no gaps that believers can effectively shoe horn their Gods into. They are desperate and try, but they fail very reliably.

And do you notice how many believers, like yourself, reject Darwin's observations about evolution? So if God is on Darwin's side, why are you believers conflicted about what Darwin observed? This is more evidence that religion does not help believers understand anything, and only adds to their confusion. This thread is yet another misunderstanding of facts on your part, another unforced error.
 
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F1fan

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The Sum of Awe said:
What else could it have come from? Anything else would be a part of 'something'.
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The dilemma for some theists is that even if their God was the cause, the God is still something, and where did IT come from? If a God can be eternal, why can't energy? The "god did it" notion is fairly useless as it answers nothing, and just adds another unnecessary element that has no facts behind it.
 
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