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Arius was correct about Jesus

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
It depends somewhat on the Gospel one chooses. In Mark it looks as if Jesus is denying that he is God while in John he appears to be implying that he may be God. You will see that in debates. Those Christians that argue for the Trinity most often go to John over any other Gospel
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There is no way that Jesus ever implied that He was God, not in John or any other gospel, because Jesus is not God.
Jesus is God is just a man-made Christian doctrine decided upon at the Council of Nicaea, not based upon the Bible in any way.

90 Verses That Say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God – The Deen Show

 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
Why not? I could find a similar biased list where he does. You are making an error of assuming that the Gospels are accurate.
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Go right ahead and post the list where Jesus says He is God.
If the Gospels are not accurate why even discuss them at all? In that case it's curtains for Christianity since that is all they have.

Here is the logical reason why Jesus cannot be God:

According to the Bible God is: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, Immaterial, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient.

According to the Bible Jesus is: Holy, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient, but Jesus is not Eternal, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, or Immaterial.

And that is why Jesus cannot be God, since Jesus only has SOME of the Attributes of God, not ALL of the Attributes of God.

Case closed.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Meandflower said:
Arius was correct about Jesus. Arius lived from c. AD 256–336. He was an Christian presbyter He believed Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father with the difference that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten within time by God the Father, therefore Jesus was not co-eternal with God the Father.

Jesus is according to the Bible God's son, Jesus is not God. Only the Father is God. In my opinion.

Any thoughts? Do you disagree or agree? Why?
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God and Jesus are one and the same.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
Go right ahead and post the list where Jesus says He is God.
If the Gospels are not accurate why even discuss them at all? In that case it's curtains for Christianity since that is all they have.

Here is the logical reason why Jesus cannot be God:

According to the Bible God is: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, Immaterial, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient.

According to the Bible Jesus is: Holy, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient, but Jesus is not Eternal, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, or Immaterial.

And that is why Jesus cannot be God, since Jesus only has SOME of the Attributes of God, not ALL of the Attributes of God.

Case closed.
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I remember them trying to kill him in the Bible. It did not seem to work.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

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Subduction Zone said:
Those Christians that argue for the Trinity most often go to John over any other Gospel
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That's right. It was included in the canon due to it's "Christology".
It is very different from the other 3 Gospels, and starts with Greek philosophy..

In the beginning was the logos.

No! In the beginning was God.

The logos was with God,
The logos WAS God.

Hmm .. what, what??

The logos became flesh..

Just a moment .. who is writing this?
It certainly wasn't what Jesus said.
 
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Lain

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Trailblazer said:
True, but it is all the NT and none of it was written by Jesus or anyone who knew Jesus.
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I'd disagree with the claim about "anyone" but that is neither here nor there, you admitted that what I said (there is more to Christianity than the Gospels) is true. God bless.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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muhammad_isa said:
That's right. It was included in the canon due to it's "Christology".
It is very different from the other 3 Gospels, and starts with Greek philosophy..

In the beginning was the logos.

No! In the beginning was God.

The logos was with God,
The logos WAS God.

Hmm .. what, what??

The logos became flesh..

Just a moment .. who is writing this?
It certainly wasn't what Jesus said.
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It does not matter. all that much. Christianity is a smorgasbord religion.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wildswanderer said:
God and Jesus are one and the same.
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1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
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In context the 1 Corinthian verse supports that Jesus always existed. Timothy is neutral and Deuteronomy is Old Testament.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
No, I am consistent. I do not believe the Bible. You are a bit inconsistent in your approach to it.
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If I am inconsistent that is because the Bible is inconsistent, so how can anyone know what is accurate or inaccurate, what is literal and what is figurative? It'd be easier to throw the whole Bible out but we both know that ain't gonna happen, not any time soon.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
In context the 1 Corinthian verse supports that Jesus always existed. Timothy is neutral and Deuteronomy is Old Testament.
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1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
  • How does that verse support that Jesus has always existed?
  • Notice the and that differentiates God the Father from Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
  • one God, and one mediator shows that there are two entities, God and Jesus. That means Jesus cannot be God.
Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
  • Why would it matter if it is OT?
  • Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
  • God is unchanging, so God cannot suddenly become a man in the NT.
 
VoidCat

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Subduction Zone said:
With the crazy beliefs that I have seen arise in even our modern age, the idea that a belief in Jesus invented out of whole cloth no longer appears to be as "fringe" as it used to be.
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like how some folk on tiktok believe that Christianity was started by Loki and Dionysus as a prank and it went too far. Someone made it as a joke just a joke they weren't serious but then folks actually believed them and now it's all over tiktok.

It's ridiculous I don't know who came up with that theory
 
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