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Are Wiccans Satanic?
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Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
Very much, Jimbob. (And welcome to RF! ) Druids are types of pagans, which is also the 'umbrella' that Wicca falls under.
Wicca is not Satanism. Satan is not part of the Wiccan pantheon. However....
Wicca is a modern religion with many roots, both ancient and modern. And, although most Wiccans don't like to admit it, ONE of those many roots is
indeed nineteenth-century literary Satanism, which influenced various other forms of occultism as well. For details, see my article Satanism and the History of Wicca and my update to that article. See also my critique of various mis-statements commonly made by Wiccans and other Pagans about Satanism.
Furthermore, the complete Wiccan Rede poem was originally publicized in an article in Green Egg magazine back in 1975. Unfortunately, that article no longer seems to be available on the web, though until recently it was available on a well-known website called the Wiccan Rede Project. Anyhow, that Green Egg article was written by a person with an explicitly Luciferian point of view.
None of this proves that Wicca is, itself, a form of Satanism, or that it venerates Satan in any way. Nor does it prove that Wicca is in any way "evil" or whatever. However, like it or not, various Satanic elements ARE a part of Wicca's rather convoluted family tree.
Wicca is a modern religion with many roots, both ancient and modern. And, although most Wiccans don't like to admit it, ONE of those many roots is
indeed nineteenth-century literary Satanism, which influenced various other forms of occultism as well. For details, see my article Satanism and the History of Wicca and my update to that article. See also my critique of various mis-statements commonly made by Wiccans and other Pagans about Satanism.
"An it harm none, do what ye will" is historically a variant of Crowley's "Do what thou wilt." (Gardner was strongly influenced by Crowley and is known to have used some of Crowley's rituals.) Crowley, though not a full-fledged Satanist, did call upon Satan in some of his rituals (e.g. Liber Samekh) and was fond of Satanic imagery and Satanic/Pagan/occult double entendres.TreeHugger22 said:
Furthermore, the complete Wiccan Rede poem was originally publicized in an article in Green Egg magazine back in 1975. Unfortunately, that article no longer seems to be available on the web, though until recently it was available on a well-known website called the Wiccan Rede Project. Anyhow, that Green Egg article was written by a person with an explicitly Luciferian point of view.
None of this proves that Wicca is, itself, a form of Satanism, or that it venerates Satan in any way. Nor does it prove that Wicca is in any way "evil" or whatever. However, like it or not, various Satanic elements ARE a part of Wicca's rather convoluted family tree.
As for how Wiccans can distinguish between Wicca and Satanism without misrepresenting either, please see the thread Question about Wording... in the Satanism forum here.
Kreeden , why do you say that in practice you don`t see any diference between christianity and satanism ? Now the sacrifice part it is just a mith like many others made by a certain religion . If people still believe this in this days , then I think that a sort of education is required .
I think the question is as valid as asking 'are Christians murderers?' - a small minority of Christians have murdered, but that doesn't mean that Christians are murderes.
In the same light, from what I have read, Wiccans are not practicing Satanism per se - although some might do so.
In the same light, from what I have read, Wiccans are not practicing Satanism per se - although some might do so.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
A new, sarcastic answer, and I would tell your professor this, but thats just me.
If Wiccan's are Satanist, then there is a 50 foot giant in Indiana that lives in my back yard, and I work very hard day and night to make sure he is never spoted by anyone.
If Wiccan's are Satanist, then there is a 50 foot giant in Indiana that lives in my back yard, and I work very hard day and night to make sure he is never spoted by anyone.
Cold-Stone
Member
Yes-absolutely,
Wiccans are indeed satanic : )
hope that helps.
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Wiccans are indeed satanic : )
hope that helps.
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Circle_One
Well-Known Member
Cold-Stone said:
You know, I have to wonder (and muchly hope) that you are joking here, Cold Stone. If not, where, exactly are you getting your information from? I'd really like to know.
EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
All religions have some similarities. I think that if you took the time to read what the Satanists have shared with us on the Forums, you would find that it is not what you had assumed it was.
Wicca and Satanism are two different religions just like Catholics and Mormons are two different religions. The one big thing that Wicca and Satanist have in common is taking the power that God gave all of us, and claiming the creator within them. God told us that we were all like God's, but Satan was one who went to far, and found himself opposite of God.
Accepting these religions is a not a sin, unless you go against God's will. Most witches I know are very in tuned to God's will, whether they acknowledge it or not. They follow the same basic rules that Christianity and other religions do. Harm no one. And what you do comes back to you. Casting spells is no different than saying prayers, and what you give is what you get, regardless of what path you choose.
Wicca and Satanism are two different religions just like Catholics and Mormons are two different religions. The one big thing that Wicca and Satanist have in common is taking the power that God gave all of us, and claiming the creator within them. God told us that we were all like God's, but Satan was one who went to far, and found himself opposite of God.
Accepting these religions is a not a sin, unless you go against God's will. Most witches I know are very in tuned to God's will, whether they acknowledge it or not. They follow the same basic rules that Christianity and other religions do. Harm no one. And what you do comes back to you. Casting spells is no different than saying prayers, and what you give is what you get, regardless of what path you choose.
kreeden
Virus of the Mind
I'm sorry Era , I lost track of this thread and didn't see your question until now ... and I had to go back over the thread twice to find the post that I believe you are refering to .Era said:
Is it this one ? If so , I never said that I don't see any difference between the two in practice , I said that I couldn't say if there is or not . That is simply because I have never been inside a Church of Satan , so can't say what goes on there .
Sorry for the confusion .Cold-Stone
Member
Circle-One,
That's a fair question. I suppose we would have to first define the word Satanic.
How are you defining the word Satanic? Because via your personal specific definition I might agree that it is NOT. And when you give your definition, how do you know if your definition is correct? And if it possibly might not be correct, then perhaps your position that Wiccans are NOT satanic could also be incorrect (since your definition of satanic may or may not be correct).
So basically, how do you know it is NOT satanic and again, what does satanic mean and how do you know?
From my personal system of philosophy (Judeo-Christian), it would be satanic given the categories of the spirit realms. Now you may disagree with my very old system which is based on blibllical history, that's fine. But you have to justify that your system is correct in its thinking so that I can then reconsider my position.
So again Circle,
1) What does it mean to be satanic?
2) How do you know that your definition is correct
3) and If you're not absolutely positive of the definition, how can you be absolutely positive about your conclusion that it is NOT satanic?
Cold-Stone Advantage
That's a fair question. I suppose we would have to first define the word Satanic.
How are you defining the word Satanic? Because via your personal specific definition I might agree that it is NOT. And when you give your definition, how do you know if your definition is correct? And if it possibly might not be correct, then perhaps your position that Wiccans are NOT satanic could also be incorrect (since your definition of satanic may or may not be correct).
So basically, how do you know it is NOT satanic and again, what does satanic mean and how do you know?
From my personal system of philosophy (Judeo-Christian), it would be satanic given the categories of the spirit realms. Now you may disagree with my very old system which is based on blibllical history, that's fine. But you have to justify that your system is correct in its thinking so that I can then reconsider my position.
So again Circle,
1) What does it mean to be satanic?
2) How do you know that your definition is correct
3) and If you're not absolutely positive of the definition, how can you be absolutely positive about your conclusion that it is NOT satanic?
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kreeden
Virus of the Mind
Hmmm , my guess would be because she refuses to allow you to define the world for her Stone . :banghead3
Mind you , that is only a guess ... But the same questions can be directed towards you . How do you know that your definition is correct , which of course it isn't for everyone . And how can you be absolutely positive about your conclusion that it IS satanic?
Mind you , that is only a guess ... But the same questions can be directed towards you . How do you know that your definition is correct , which of course it isn't for everyone . And how can you be absolutely positive about your conclusion that it IS satanic?
Fluffy
A fool
There are 4 definitions of Satanic which are generally accepted by most people. You are free to make up others or use some of the lesser used ones if you wish.
1) Anyone not adhering to Christianity
2) Anyone not adhering to Christianity, Judaism or Islam
3) Anyone of the religion Satanism
4) Anyone who worships Satan as a deity.
The meanings of words are correct as long as enough people accept them as so. I could say you were cool and have a very different meaning to your interpretation of the word but that doesn't mean that my meaning is wrong. They are both correct. Similarly archaic definitions (such as gay meaning happy) are also correct, just not in a modern context.
I'm absolutely positive about those definitions. I'm absolutely positive that Wicca is satanic according to the first 2 and not according to the last 2. However, I could say similar sentences but replacing Wicca with any religion barring Christianity. For me, that makes such a distinction meaningless to anyone except a Christian.
Simply put, you can continue to believe that Wicca is satanic as much as you wish. You can even back it up with other beliefs such as saying Wiccans worship the Devil. However, the moment you present such beliefs as facts, is the moment that I have a problem with what you are saying simply because it is incorrect.
KirbyFan101
Resident Ball of Fluff
Fluffy said:
These definitions are now redundantFluffy said:
, Because of the diversity of religions these days...Bingo. This is now the mainstream use of the word.Fluffy said:
People who worship Satan are more myth than anything else. This defintion is misleading "oh dude, that guys a satanist!" "omfg satan worsihp1111!!!one!1", so its pretty much redundant also. :bounceFluffy said: