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Featured Are there verses in the bible that have been proven to be scientifically true after the writing?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by A Son of God, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    There may be, but it is highly doubtful that it will be found in a holy book.
     
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    I think that the original writings of the apostles and the prophets were authentic. They existed, from a historical view but it would still be left up to spirtual interpretation as to what they experienced.
     
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    Which writings? Surely not the Gospels since they were not written by the people that they are named for.
     
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    It was once thought that the sun was created before the planets of out solar system, whereas the bible stated otherwise, and that Life could not have begun to evolve on earth before the creation of the sun, as revealed in the scriptures.
     
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    Newsflash, the Bible still claims that. At least it claims that the Sun and Moon were created after the Earth. Thanks for reminding us of another error in the Bible.
     
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    Another error on your part perhaps, but not an error of the bible, the sun was created after the planets of our solar system.
     
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    Have you read Genesis? The Earth was created on the first day according to the myth. The Earth is a planet. On the fourth day he created the Sun and the Moon and the other planets.


    Oopsy.
     
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    Darwin is included in the Bible? Well there's a turn up...
     
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    Dadgummit! That means I have to revise my worldview all over again! Goodbye yellow brick road.
     
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    So what did they call it back then? The soon-to-be-solar system? Where do you guys get this nonsense? Its perfectly obvious that the sun was already there when the earth was created - it just hadn't been switched on yet. (And trust me - there are interpretations of day 4 that are seriously that silly).
     
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    So right on the health thing - not so hot on anatomy...and of course its not the alcohol that confers these particular health benefits is it - its the antioxidants - especially in red wine - and that is also in unfermented grape juice...so no need to consume alcohol at all (not that I'm agin' it in any way)...
     
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    Heck - toilets with flowing water are known from archaeological sites dating to more than a millennium or two before that was written in the Bible. In the Indus valley they had flush toilets and sewers at a site dated to about 2350 BC. Even dogs and cats bury their excrement, though admittedly they don't write stories about it. Thank dog for that!
     
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    All that the earth was created from was there in the beginning, but the earth at that time was formless, having no constant shape, and void, having no Mass.

    All that the earth was at that time, was wave particles, which are not particles al all, as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

    The sun was created on the fourth period of universal activity or the fourth creative day, but the earth was created on the third day, when God divided the solar nebula cloud from the galactic nebula cloud and the planets were created.
     
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    A protohuman is not a human being, and nor is a protosun a sun.

    Because of its great compression, the core of the condensing solar nebula, our proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

    It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

    These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.
     
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    Wow! This has to be one of the most tortuous attempts to twist "science" to fit scripture - I was feeling a bit mean for roundly dismissing your obviously conscientiously held views - but now that you have thrown all this into the mix, I reckon your hypothesis can take a bit more scientific prodding and probing. Overall, not a completely ridiculous effort I suppose, but the problem with it is that the earth produced vegetation on the third day - before the sun was switched on - how did that happen?
     
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    First of all, you have not conceded that the bible is correct in stating that the planets were created before our sun.

    As to life beginning to evolve in the steaming hot waters of the primitive earth before the creation of the sun, Look to the life that has evolved over 6 miles beneath the ocean around the extremely hot vents, where sunlight cannot and does not penetrate.
     
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    What a load of nonsense. Don't you feel any shame for just making things up when the Bible is obviously wrong?
     
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    Boy! You don't give up do you. The Bible simply doesn't say that the planets were created before the sun anyway. But the extremophile thing is just a joke - the Bible has fruit trees growing on the third day - according to your timetable thats at least 4 billion years before plants evolved.
     
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    The bible is correct my friend and you know it.

    This scientific theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the water above, from the waters below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

    It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heaver elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

    The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

    Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

    Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form. Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

    As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed, with a strong stellar wind.

    By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

    Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

    This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

    Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

    Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

    Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

    It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

    These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

    Don't you feel ashamed for abandoning the Lord, whose words are proving to be true?
     
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    The earth produced on the third period of universal activity, all kinds of plants, which have evolved to the plants of today and will continue to evolve.

    God created a firmament to divide the waters above from the waters below, or from the nebula cloud from the galactic cloud.

    "And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under (or within) the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
    (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

    The term "firmament" according to the Creation account, is taken from the Hebrew: raqiya` raw-kee'-ah, which is defined by many scholars as an expanse, or the visible arch of the sky:—firmament, but a primitive root; “ raqa` raw-kah” means, to pound, hammer, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

    The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure, and in some modern Bibles many modern scholars translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault". The Hebrew language appears to imply that the firmament is a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament, which can now be seen as the spherical cloud of comets (Icy vault) in which our solar system was created from the solar nebula cloud that was divided from the greater galactic nebula cloud.

    "And God said, “Let there be lights within the firmament=vault to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
    (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)

    This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars=planets of our solar system, are "within" the firmament. Therefore, the waters that are "above the firmament=dome/vault" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars=planets of our solar system, revealing that the waters which are referred to in Psalms 148:4; "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens," belong to the greater galactic nebula cloud which has become our Milky Way Galaxy.

    The Oort cloud, or the Opik-Oort cloud, which is named after Jan Oort, is a spherical cloud that surrounds our solar system, a cloud of predominantly icy objects such as comets that are comprised of mainly hydrogen, oxygen=water, ammonia and methane, and extends up to about a light year from the sun and defines the cosmographical boundary of our Solar System and the region of the suns gravitational dominance. Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above us.

    Knowing that the planets of our solar system were already created before the sun came into existence when the hydrogen nuclei within the condensing solar cloud started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy thereby creating our sun, we must now ask the question, “Did life on earth begin to evolve before the creation of the sun?” As is recorded in the Bible. And can life exist without sunlight? Proof of this is to be found in the darkest depths of our oceans, where life has evolved over six miles beneath the surface where sunlight does not and cannot penetrate. This subject will be discussed in greater detail at a later stage.
     
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