Prima
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That made absolutely no sense to me. Please explain yourself.God banning abortion is almost as bad as making an ammendment to the US constitution banning Gay realtions
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That made absolutely no sense to me. Please explain yourself.God banning abortion is almost as bad as making an ammendment to the US constitution banning Gay realtions
Yeah, they plan to go to work and kill babies for a living, and then drive home in thier sports cars from the money they make. I can link you to some of the testimony of former abortionists who can confirm my original argument, that for them, and from what they say all the rest of the employees at their clinic, it was all about money, nothing else.
TVOR,The Voice of Reason said:This is a perfect example of your use of biased language. A fetus is not a fully fledged human being, whether you want to hear it or not.
Tumor? Normally when I read the pro-abortion posts, while I generally disagree, they don't incite strong emotions.anders said:For example, getting rid of a tumour consisting of a few dozen of unwanted, undifferentiated cells (yes, for the sake of argument, I'm referring to quite early cases) can't in any way be worse than getting rid of a cancerous tumour.
Spinks,Mr_Spinkles said:These are the questions I'm not totally clear on:
1) Do women really tend to have abortions less if they have an ultrasound?
Therein lies the whole problem. The choice is arbitrary until birthMelody said:... There will always be disagreement on abortion because of the disagreement on when the "humanity" of life begins.
Do you wonder what life may have been created each time you have 'safe sex' (if indeed you do...) ? Do you wonder what life may have been prevented from coming to fruition because of your children? How many lifes have been prevented by your own existance (your parner may have met someone else)? Such thoughts are not productive.Melody said:The grieving was made more difficult by insensitive people who implied that it was a good thing it was just a piece of "tissue" and not a real baby as I wouldn't have to deal with the grief. At odd moments, when I look at my other three children, I wonder what that other little life could possibly have been.
Yes, this is the real issue. Even pro-abortionists agree wholeheartedly that if a fetus can truly be considered fully human then abortion is wrong. There has to be a cut-off point somewhere between fertilised egg and birth.. but where?There will always be disagreement on abortion because of the disagreement on when the "humanity" of life begins.
To be fair, the discussion should include the position that sperm and ova is the beginning of life. But then we have to talk about an idividual's life begining in the Grandmothers womb for that is where the mother's ova originate that lead to the individual. And we would have to agree on a definition of life in regard to the human. With all the emotion shown in this topic, it seems well nigh impossible.Tawn said:... There has to be a cut-off point somewhere between fertilised egg and birth.. but where?
Tawn,Tawn said:Do you wonder what life may have been created each time you have 'safe sex' (if indeed you do...) ? Do you wonder what life may have been prevented from coming to fruition because of your children? How many lifes have been prevented by your own existance (your parner may have met someone else)? Such thoughts are not productive.
Yes, this is the real issue. Even pro-abortionists agree wholeheartedly that if a fetus can truly be considered fully human then abortion is wrong. There has to be a cut-off point somewhere between fertilised egg and birth.. but where?
Yet it is still only a 'potential' human life. Whats is it about the first few cells that transform into human life, that gives them human rights? They do not think feel etc.. they have no emotions - no brain has formed.. I cant separate them from unfertilised eggs.. they are still only potential life as far as I can see.Melody said:I am pro-life. There is no cutoff *between* fertilized egg and birth for me. Prevent by all means...but to destroy a life that has already been started....my belief is that it's murder.
Yes. A care centre or a private practice would be where the woman would get the referral to a suitable hospital. I've tried to find a mentioning of costs, but no information. Probably, there will be the fee for the primary visit only. No health professional will earn any more or any less because of the woman's decision.Prima said:In Sweden, do you not have private practices?
Ultimately, the voters. The system is of course not pefect for everybody. For example, few couples are eligible for subsidized artificial insemination, fewer still for in vitro fertilization. That's the one real restriction I can think of.Who is to say what should and should not be part of the 'normal medical system'?
Again, we're talking semantics. You see the fetus as potential life. I see it as life. Potential life is not the same as life. It's a "maybe".Tawn said:Yet it is still only a 'potential' human life. Whats is it about the first few cells that transform into human life, that gives them human rights? They do not think feel etc.. they have no emotions - no brain has formed.. I cant separate them from unfertilised eggs.. they are still only potential life as far as I can see.
Ah well if I was picky (which I am) I would point out that even a fetus is still a 'maybe'.Melody said:Again, we're talking semantics. You see the fetus as potential life. I see it as life. Potential life is not the same as life. It's a "maybe".
I agree. It seems a better option to adopt, however, some people feel differently and I dont think its our right to interfere unless the fetus has formed into something recognisably human. Its equivalent to telling somone off for not having sex.. theyve prevented life from forming!!!ADOPTION IS THE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS