And He Shall Be Called a Nazarene

[Rival]

Sorry, my friends who are my brothers, whom I grieve for, whom in my humble opinion are hellbound.

Can't they just be fellow souls?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Just wondering, do you truly have any non-Christian Jewish friends?

Yes, friends and family. And you're my friend, because my unsaved Jewish brethren are WARM and FRIENDLY, kind to Messianics.

 

[BilliardsBall]

"Judge ye not...".

Have you read the BOOK OF JUDGES? Or the NT passages where believers judge men and angels and Israel?

 

[BilliardsBall]

There is nothing about Matthew 2:23 that is wordplay.The verse makes it very clear that it is the fact that Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth that fulfills the prophecy. Therefore any prophecy in the Tanakh about the Messiah being called a Nazarene will have to do with the city of Nazarteth, not a branch. Nice try.

Matthew doesn't say he's using wordplay, however, this is an established technique in Bible commentary/interpretation.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There is nothing about Matthew 2:23 that is wordplay.The verse makes it very clear that it is the fact that Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth that fulfills the prophecy. Therefore any prophecy in the Tanakh about the Messiah being called a Nazarene will have to do with the city of Nazarteth, not a branch. Nice try.

PS. You should address the other thing I wrote, that hundreds of OBVIOUS pointers to Jesus Christ are considered non-Messianic prophecy, so that we Jews are stuck and barely would recognize Messiah if He came today!

 

[Fool]

in the old testament to consecrate literally means to set apart, or to separate; which is why a nazirite is described as being consectrated. the word sanctify as well


H6942 - qāḏaš - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)

 

[Harel13]

And you're my friend

Doubtful.

WARM and FRIENDLY, kind to Messianics

Even more doubtful.

 

[Fool]

What books, Numbers? 1st century?

Or do you mean the Greek gospels that were fabricated later on?

books of the nt. books by the essenes. books by the other factions that aren't listed in the jewish canons, tanak.

 

[Fool]

Respectfully, I don't think evolved is a good description for this. It would be more like a pendulum. What you're describing is a snapshot in time. You may be correct about the trend, but that trend could be at an extreme such that shortly after the snapshot was taken the trend slows down and reverses course.

If so, it's difficult to tell from the arguments you've offered whether or not Hebrew is or is not important now. The past is the past after all. Now is what matters

everything evolves or else it involutes, involves.

 

[rosends]

books of the nt. books by the essenes. books by the other factions that aren't listed in the jewish canons, tanak.

oh, fiction. Got it.

 

[rosends]

in the old testament to consecrate literally means to set apart, or to separate; which is why a nazirite is described as being consectrated. the word sanctify as well


H6942 - qāḏaš - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)

different root and different meaning of consecrate. Something made kadosh and a nazir are two very different statuses. Maybe you would rather connect Jesus to "kadesha". Same root.

 

[Rival]

oh, fiction. Got it.

I'm not up on scholarship, but aren't we undecided on whether or not those books were even written by Essenes?

 

[Fool]

oh, fiction. Got it.

just because books aren't in the tanak don't make them fiction.


we have hippolytus and others to thank for mentioning these folks.


we also know writings were found out qumran


so your labeling them fiction doesn't make it so

 

[Fool]

I'm not up on scholarship, but aren't we undecided on whether or not those books were even written by Essenes?

you'll have to go to bat with hippolytus on that. that is going to be a tall order

 

[Rival]

you'll have to go to bat with hippolytus on that.

I don't really like Ancient Greek theatre.

 

[Fool]

different root and different meaning of consecrate. Something made kadosh and a nazir are two very different statuses. Maybe you would rather connect Jesus to "kadesha". Same root.

so you're claiming that to separate as a nazarite is neither?


i've already shown you that the essenes used nazirite vows in their rules

 

[Fool]

I don't really like Ancient Greek theatre.

well unfortunately neither did the ultra orthodox jews but those were the land lords and those were the rules.


judea, palestine, what ever you want to label it was hellenized in 1st century middle east

 

[Rival]

well unfortunately neither did the ultra orthodox jews but those were the land lords and those were the rules.


judea, palestine, what ever you want to label it was hellenized in 1st century middle east

There were no Ultra Orthodox Jews in the 1st century. This is a modern label.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Any sayings of prophecy or other books of prophecy that didn't make it into the canon didn't cut the mustard because they do not have messages that are for more than their day. This is why we know they didn't have messianic prophecies.

Who made these decisions and why do you trust them?

 

[Fool]

There were no Ultra Orthodox Jews in the 1st century. This is a modern label.

i'm referring to the essenes. they went above and beyond your typical pharisees.


again hangups, biases to words. if you prefer the term more fundamentalist pharisees.