Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, until some of my biker friends get a hold of them.
Why, do they hate freedom? The flag represents freedom, so opposing flag burning is just as much of a desecration as flag burning itself.
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Why, do they hate freedom? The flag represents freedom, so opposing flag burning is just as much of a desecration as flag burning itself.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Freedom of speech is well worth the cost of tolerating the voices of those we disagree with. The best way to combat repugnant viewpoints is not with censorship, but with education.
I'll guess. The burning of an American flag is to show support for the first ammendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. It is about love, not hate.
How'd I do?
How'd I do?
Hate can work too.
paragon
Member
Well, until some of my biker friends get a hold of them.
It means a van full of angry and drunk Marines would like a word with you.
This is precisely what freedom is not. It is the complete opposite of freedom, it is slavery. Censorship through the use of threats of violence? Controlling what one does with one's own property, in this case a piece of fabric, on their own soil? That's freedom? If that is the US then hell I'll burn 50 flags.
Flag desecration is often used to express one's dissatisfaction with one's own government laws, policies, or leaders. It's a sad day in America when it's youth have been warped to believe that being "American" involves an undying loyalty to one's government and it's policies, and that the enemy is anyone who happens to disagree with and oppose their government and express this dissatisfaction.
If I were to own a establishment which prided itself in conducting business in an honest and respectable fashion, and it were later hijacked by outside forces which turned into a disgusting practice, but kept my name and logos intact, I would desire to destroy it's symbols.
I'd burn a US flag not because I consider myself "un-American" but because I felt that the American government, it's laws, it's policies, and the current general direction the nation itself is heading towards are themselves unrepresentative of my ideal of what the US should be and what the should be stand for. I'd burn it because the nation doesn't deserve to call the flag it's own because what it has become is an abomination of it's supposed ideal. It has become a sham, and to be content with it is a spit in the face to people to who have sacrificed so much.
But it's okay. If you want to stand behind a dead flag and nod your heads at a TV screen while your leaders lie to you left and right, injecting fear and xenophobia into rest of the masses, have at it.
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paragon
Member
So if something isn't very clear in cases such as these do you believe the most civilized course of action would be to physically assault them?
How often do you see someone simply pull out a US flag and incinerate it without any sort of explanation or demonstration beforehand?
As long as it does not break any laws, I have a right to express myself however I see fit. And I don't owe a explanation to anyone anymore than one is required to convince the world that their beliefs are valid in order to hold them.
adi2d
Active Member
Like you did in this thread? Not often. An explanation would have done much more to showing your point.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
More insightful than just those who see only the forest and not the trees.I'll guess. The burning of an American flag is to show support for the first ammendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. It is about love, not hate.
How'd I do?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's the line of communication that is the crux. Burning itself isn't the issue as I see it. It's the motive and intent behind the burning.
paragon
Member
I burned a flag? When did I burn a flag?
Aside from that, you missed the point completely.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I like Canadians. Also Swiss Chalet...Just to let you know guys, I like Americans
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adi2d
Active Member
I don't think I missed the point at all
You think flag burning is a valid example of free speech
I think it is spitting in the face of all those who gave you freedom of speech
Believe what you want and I'll do the same
Viker
Häxan
Can't take a joke? Git outta ma 'Murica!This is precisely what freedom is not. It is the complete opposite of freedom, it is slavery. Censorship through the use of threats of violence? Controlling what one does with one's own property, in this case a piece of fabric, on their own soil? That's freedom? If that is the US then hell I'll burn 50 flags.
Flag desecration is often used to express one's dissatisfaction with one's own government laws, policies, or leaders. It's a sad day in America when it's youth have been warped to believe that being "American" involves an undying loyalty to one's government and it's policies, and that the enemy is anyone who happens to disagree with and oppose their government and express this dissatisfaction.
If I were to own a establishment which prided itself in conducting business in an honest and respectable fashion, and it were later hijacked by outside forces which turned into a disgusting practice, but kept my name and logos intact, I would desire to destroy it's symbols.
I'd burn a US flag not because I consider myself "un-American" but because I felt that the American government, it's laws, it's policies, and the current general direction the nation itself is heading towards are themselves unrepresentative of my ideal of what the US should be and what the should be stand for. I'd burn it because the nation doesn't deserve to call the flag it's own because what it has become is an abomination of it's supposed ideal. It has become a sham, and to be content with it is a spit in the face to people to who have sacrificed so much.
But it's okay. If you want to stand behind a dead flag and nod your heads at a TV screen while your leaders lie to you left and right, injecting fear and xenophobia into rest of the masses, have at it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Honestly Id rather see flag burning than than the flag waving politicians systematically stripping away those same freedoms that men and women died over.
Viker
Häxan
Me as well. The worst of flag desecration I've seen has come from politicians wrapping themselves in a flag then crapping on nearly everything it stands for. Happens quite a lot.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I feel every responsible citizen should burn a flag every once in awhile to remind them the power is ultimately ours, and it was rebellion that gave us our nations sovereignty.
To carry a gun makes the statement too.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
or even flying it upside down as a sign of distress.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It does. But you likely would need a permit, background check, and a fee paid in full these days. Of course it only applies to the majority of law abiding citizens seeking firearms.
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