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Akhenaten Egyptian God and the Rosicrucian Order

Riders

Well-Known Member
So I am planning on going to a Gnostic seminar for awhile and eventually I want to visit the Rosicrucian's. I saw on a You tube film that they originated fro Akhenaten the Egyptian Monotheism God. I am just wondering if this is true and what influence Akhenaten has on the group. Any info on this group would be appreciated. I have read it is mysticism and somewhat Egyptian.
 
So I am planning on going to a Gnostic seminar for awhile and eventually I want to visit the Rosicrucian's. I saw on a You tube film that they originated fro Akhenaten the Egyptian Monotheism God. I am just wondering if this is true and what influence Akhenaten has on the group. Any info on this group would be appreciated. I have read it is mysticism and somewhat Egyptian.
The problem with Egyptian theory is that its littered with lack of understanding sin. Sin is harmful and the Egyptian Gods do not address it.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Quester

Member
Well, I'll be back later.

The first problem I have with this is from a line in that article:

"One of the SECRET doctrines maintained by the Rosicrucians, teaches that when H. Spencer Lewis was initiated in France, he was given the PROPHECY that he was the REINCARNATED SOUL of AKHENATEN..."

Historically, reincarnation was exceedingly late arriving on the scene. According to the late Professor Leopold Fischer who did a study on this belief:

In its present form, the way people talk about it today, it is quite
old, but it's not as old as people hope it would be. You have only a
vestigial or marginal mention of something like transmigration in the older
sections of the Veda. There is the first complete mention, though very
brief, in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, which is quite old. But the real
assumptions having to do with reincarnation come in the Puranic age, at
the time that the Puranas were composed, and then of course, through
Buddhism. So you might say that it reached a state of common acceptance,
I would think, around 300 B.C., but not earlier. So it is old, but in its
highly articulated form it is not so old — and the way it's talked about
now, that's recent; that's "Theosophical Society."
..........


If reincarnation was even close to being THE explanation people are searching for, then why wasn't it mentioned in the earliest texts (Sumer / Egypt)? Allegedly, it was the created for control by the Aryans.

An example of an "earlier" approach from the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad:

"Upon reaching the moon, they become food. There the gods enjoy them,
just as the priests enjoy the drink of Soma watching the moon wax and
wane. When that ends they enter into space, from space into air, from air
into rain, from rain into the earth. Then they are again offered in the fire of
man, and from there into the fire of a woman so that they can go again to
the other worlds. Thus, they keep rotating." …

.......

Sounds like the stereotypical religious control approach to me.
 

Quester

Member
Well, I haven't found anything regarding this "prophecy" ... and I guess no one wants to talk about this. It's just another religious case of "your brain hallucinates your conscious reality" ... unless you actually have hard data.
 

Tamino

Active Member
I don't see any meaningful connection between the Rosicrucians and the heretic. Maybe it's just an attempt to make themselves more special by inventing an ancient heritage.

I can tell you more about the development and nature of Egyptian sun theology in the New Kingdom and how the heretic tried to establish the Aten as sole superior deity ... But that has no relation to Rosicrucianism
 

Quester

Member
According to religious history, monotheism itself is just another rewrite. I does start with Akhenaton, allegedly enters a new phase with Zarathustra, and from there the Hebrews pick up on it during the exile. From that point it's come all the way to today.
 

ChieftheCef

Active Member
The problem with Egyptian theory is that its littered with lack of understanding sin. Sin is harmful and the Egyptian Gods do not address it.
Actually you're dead wrong.

Bam. The 42 Laws of Maat.

Better than Akhenaten's tries because he wasn't supposed to be doing any of what he did, like killing his borthers and sister for the throne only to destabilize Egypt by declaring himself sole arbiter of God. That's a classy move, open yourself up to the people rejecting you at death with your forbearers being those that don't realize their religion is wrong even by the sheer concept of gauging your eyes out if you see, dare I mention the word, boobies.

Mathew 5:28-30
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be cast into hell."

He essentially says self destruct, because his version of sin, unskillfullness etc is so proliferate. You could sin by seeing boobies, you could sin by being angry, you could sin.

Then he commands you to tear it from you. That's some great, common sense. Can you imagine if Jesus knew about brains?
 
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