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Agnosticism vs. Atheism
- Thread starter Rex
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jonjohnrob11
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an universe without any boundaries is proof enough that seeing creation u no there is a Creator who also created time.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Agnostics are the bridge between Athiests and Theists...
'fence-sitters' if you will (and I don't mean that as in insult), the ones I know figure that if there is a god it will understand that they don't go to church or whatever but they arn't going to worry about it not being there either...
They are open to both possibilites... that way they won't be surprized
wa:-do
'fence-sitters' if you will (and I don't mean that as in insult), the ones I know figure that if there is a god it will understand that they don't go to church or whatever but they arn't going to worry about it not being there either...
They are open to both possibilites... that way they won't be surprized
wa:-do
Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
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But what about Buddhists? We aren't atheistic; there are gods in the Buddhist pantheon. We aren't MONOtheistic; there are lots of different gods. We can't really be called theistic either, since gods are not "over" humans. We don't consider any qualitative difference between sapient beings; gods and devas are unenlightened beings just like humans are, although occupying different realms.
In Buddhism the goal is to develop the individual self and to alleviate the suffering of ALL beings, whether they are gods, devas, asuras, humans, and on and on. I am not sure Buddhists can be measured by that scale.
But what about Buddhists? We aren't atheistic; there are gods in the Buddhist pantheon. We aren't MONOtheistic; there are lots of different gods. We can't really be called theistic either, since gods are not "over" humans. We don't consider any qualitative difference between sapient beings; gods and devas are unenlightened beings just like humans are, although occupying different realms.
In Buddhism the goal is to develop the individual self and to alleviate the suffering of ALL beings, whether they are gods, devas, asuras, humans, and on and on. I am not sure Buddhists can be measured by that scale.
dudley thoth
Member
It's better to admit you dont know rather than blindly follow something or God. My experience is to keep looking. Maybe there is or maybe there isn't. How will you know if you dont check it out.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
I was thinking the other day that the atheists I have known are like fundamentalists, they are just as closed off in their beliefs and have a tendency to project everything outside of themselves.
If you are closed off and projecting, it seems to mean you haven't found it inside of yourself. I believe in staying open.
If you are closed off and projecting, it seems to mean you haven't found it inside of yourself. I believe in staying open.
jonjohnrob11
Member
runt, God is Divine as well as human and when he spole creation became. that's his divine will materializing.
jonjohnrob11
Member
painted wolf, every child is either consciously or subconciously aware of God. atheism is taught.
jonjohnrob11
Member
engyo: budda was a great man and if catholic would have been beatified. peagan gods are devils,demons, and evil spirits. because they lie they do it so much they are convinced it's the truth. all angels, good or bad know the future. because "peagan gods" were sought sometimes the result of a prayer was evil like a lost war; and because they don't always know the truth a fortune teller, witch, warlock, wiggen, or satan worshipper aren't always accurate. avoid evil angels and concentrate on the good ones. moslems, jews and christians worship the same God. he is truth and love and never makes a mistake like us.. he allows us to choose right from wrong which is free-will. because we reflect his free-will we a spirtual image of him. when we do wrong we reject salvation and cause others to suffer.
God only wants what is good for everybody.
God only wants what is good for everybody.
jonjohnrob11
Member
dudley, keep searching and if u r sincere u will find God and the absolute religion.
jonjohnrob11
Member
lightkeeper: there are atheists who live the gospel better than some christians. God is Love and Love is God. he wouldn't condemn himself or anyone else who lives the gospel truth.
dudley thoth
Member
jonjohnrob11 said:
I'm done searchin' mate. There already.
God Bless.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
jonjohnrob11-
Theism is also taught... while I may not argue wether children automatically believe in god, they also believe in the tooth fairy...
church doctrine must be learned just like Atheism 8)
I'm going to stay away from the attack on my 'pagan religion' right now... not appropriate for this disscusion...
ps. whats a wiggan? :lol:
wa:-do
Theism is also taught... while I may not argue wether children automatically believe in god, they also believe in the tooth fairy...
church doctrine must be learned just like Atheism 8)
I'm going to stay away from the attack on my 'pagan religion' right now... not appropriate for this disscusion...
ps. whats a wiggan? :lol:
wa:-do
Runt
Well-Known Member
jonjohnrob11, Christians are often wrong or inaccurate about spiritual truth too; that is why there are so many different Christian religions all claiming "Truth", and that is why Christians believe that they must pray to not give into temptation, because Christians can easily be led astray by following what they BELIEVE to be God (or an angel) but can really be Satan or a demon. Your own religion says this. So that makes a "fortune teller, witch, warlock, wiggen, or satan worshipper" no less accurate than a Christian.
I think most fortune tellers, witches, warlocks, "wiggens" (it is wiCCan, not wiGGen) and satan worshippers would resent being lumped into the same catagory like that. They are NOT synonomous.
You should learn more about these religions before you attempt to criticize them.
I think most fortune tellers, witches, warlocks, "wiggens" (it is wiCCan, not wiGGen) and satan worshippers would resent being lumped into the same catagory like that. They are NOT synonomous.
You should learn more about these religions before you attempt to criticize them.
jonjohnrob11
Member
pw: when a child i knew there wasn't a tooth fairy but i was infused by God to know he exists.
not all religious doctrine is taught. some is intuitive like murder. it's the subtlies that must be destinguished and passed down.
not all religious doctrine is taught. some is intuitive like murder. it's the subtlies that must be destinguished and passed down.
jonjohnrob11
Member
i mispelled wiccan, which is a male witch
jonjohnrob11
Member
runt: the only christian church which hasn't changed it's doctrine is the Roman Catholic. they got it right the first time because of the infallibility of our leader who is the Pope. He is only infallible on faith, morals, and dogma. he is capable of sin but not in those three areas as God gifted him with infallibility in those three areas. popes have been elected to change doctrine but the Holy Spirit intervened and it wasn't changed. thank the Lord for absolute truth.
jonjohnrob11
Member
evil religions or acts also have denominations i see.