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Featured Additions to the prohibitions in Leviticus 18?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Jim, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. Jim

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    In Leviticus 18 there is a list of prohibited sexual practices. I’d to know what reasons anyone might have for thinking that anything in any Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Baha’i scriptures was intended to prohibit sexual practices that were not akready prohibited in Leviticus 18.
     
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    Didn't know that anyone had tried....?
     
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    Anyone who thinks that any sexual practices between two women are prohibited is adding a new prohibition to the ones in Leviticus 18.
     
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    :smiley: A popular way of thinking on all sides of homosexuality debates seems to be that in Bible stories one of the various characters called “God” prohibits sex between two men, between a man and an animal, and between a woman and an animal; then thousands of years later they say “Oops! I forgot to tell you. I don’t want two women to have fun that way together either. I apologize to all the multiple wives of the same husbands, for never warning them about that all those years.
     
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    If you want to get all legalistic, Leviticus doesn't even prohibit guys doing it. Only doing it while lying down as with a woman.
    I know plenty of other ways.;)
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    Exactly, if by “doing it,” you mean having some fun together with sexual stimulation. I might disagree with you on some specifics. I’ll only say that I don’t think Leviticus prohibits anything between two men that’s possible between two women. I’m considering what purposes the prohibitions might serve, for example for public health, and to facilitate holding each father responsible for the children he fathers.
     
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    I’m surprised and disappointed not to see anyone even trying to make an argument that some scripture passages are intended to prohibit sexual practices that were not already prohibited in Leviticus 18. I was curious to see what the arguments would be, and hoping to learn something from it.
     
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    You think that because two women have sex that is just as unnatural as men doing it, that somehow God would prohibit bestiality but not Lesbianism? Seriously? You think it was just ignored by God when the principles pertaining to sexual conduct were so detailed?

    Marriage, (which is God's arrangement) was only between a man and a woman with a view to forming a new family...something God said was a blessing. When God prohibited immorality, he was talking about any sexual conduct that was outside of lawful marriage. Since homosexual marriage is not scriptural, no matter how many laws of the land permit it, God never will. So its the immorality that is condemned, not just how you practice it.

    Out of interest....can you think of a reason why male homosexual acts might be a bit more of an 'abomination' than what women do? Think about it....
     
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    Thank you for posting your thoughts about this.

    I see these two issues as separate issues:
    - The moral principles that apply to sexual stimulation.
    - Some cultural practices that are prohibited in Leviticus 18.

    I think that the moral principles that apply to sexual stimulation are the same as the ones that apply to anything else that people do for fun, and I think that those principles are the same whether it’s a man and a woman, two men, or two women, who are having fun that way together.

    i don’t think that Leviticus 18 is about the morality of sexual stimulation. I think that one of the purposes of Leviticus 18 is to regulate the use of penises.
     
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    Ooh, @Deeje is half right. Two women having sex is just as unnatural as men doing it. And that is not unnatural at all.

    And obviously God is a straight male. He does not approve of male homosexuality and is into lesbian porn.
     
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    man or mankind can be inclusive of woman. with woman being an extension and possession of man

    Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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    2. Would man having possession of woman allow his helpmate to lie with another woman?
    The following verses in NT gives me the impression that a woman lying with a woman is extremely unthinkable and against nature outside of the knowledge of God.

    Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

    3. But I also believe our modern day society is artificial so it may not seem unthinkable or against the natural order at this time.
     
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    I don’t think that Leviticus 18 prohibits anything between two men that is possible between two women.
     
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    Thank you.

    Romans 1:26 could be referring to Leviticus 18:23.
     
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    1. Yes interesting insight. Regulate Penises and keep them accountable.

    Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    2. But now in our Modern day society under feminism along with her body and her choice and her being the gate keeper of the womb; whose anatomy needs regulating?

    3. You speaking of a time where probably seven women would rather be married to the same man to receive all and any benefits that government provides today.
     
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    Which is why I asked you this question....
    Only men expel the sacred seed of life outside of their body.....women have their eggs contained internally.
    To deposit that seed of life in an orifice that is designed as the body's sewerage outlet, is a great disrespect to the Creator of life, whose laws prohibited such disrespect. To deposit in any other orifice is also demeaning and disgusting to the Creator. What a shame that humans can sink to such low levels of morality and think its "normal".

    The fact that sex might be "fun" is a bonus....but its not the prime reason why the creator gave it. It is to be enjoyed ONLY within the bonds of scriptural marriage. That is God's law. You can't rewrite scripture.
     
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    a woman's desire is naturally to her husband and he is over her, so it would have been the male who needs to be held accountable since he is ruling over her. You indirectly reminded me of this which I believes help to complete the puzzle or add another layer to it.

    Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
     
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    What I was thinking is that if a woman can have more than one husband, that can create doubts about who is the biological father of a child. If a man can have more than one wife, that doesn’t create any more doubts about who is the biological mother of a child than there would otherwise be.
     
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    I think that the issue of what scriptures say about homosexuality is obscured by modern fairy tales and fantasies about love, marriage, romance and sex.
     
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    I see these two issues as separate issues:
    - The moral principles that apply to sexual stimulation.
    - Some cultural practices that are prohibited in Leviticus 18.

    I think that the moral principles that apply to sexual stimulation are the same as the ones that apply to anything else that people do for fun, and I think that those principles are the same whether it’s a man and a woman, two men, or two women, who are having fun that way together.

    i don’t think that Leviticus 18 is about the morality of sexual stimulation. I think that one of the purposes of Leviticus 18 is to regulate the use of penises.

    The relation that I see between marriage and morality is not that marriage makes sexual stimulation moral. The only thing that I see scriptures calling “marriage” is a man and a woman joining in the way that sometimes produces children, under certain conditions. After that happens, the laws of God assign some lifetime responsibilities to that man and that woman, and there is a prohibition against any other man doing the same thing with her. Those responsibilities might have some moral implications for whether or not they enjoy sexual stimulation with others. Other than that, I don’t see anything in the Bible about any other kind of marriage, unless cultural pederasty can be considered as a kind of marriage. Apart from that, I don’t see the Bible saying anything at all about any kind of marriage between two men or two women, or about the morality of them enjoying sexual stimulation together.
     
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    I really thought that there might be better reasons than what I’ve seen here, for thinking that there is a prohibition in Abrahamic scriptures against some kinds of sexual behavior between two women.
     
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