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Actual baby care?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by SomeRandom, Jun 25, 2022.

  1. SomeRandom

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    All this flurry about abortion (for obvious reasons) have gotten me curious.
    What does the pre and post natal care actually look like in the US?
    What are the fees like?
    Is it true they charge you for holding your infant?
    Is it true they immediately remove the baby from the mother post birth? (Which I’m fairly certain is not medically advisable.)
    I mean the US does have the highest infant mortality rate among the developed world.
    I’m just wondering what factors drive that stat.
    I mean if abortion is to be heavily restricted, would such measures only contribute to the death of more infants in the long run?

    And most pertinently, what politicians are actually pushing for better measures? Could that be a potential political platform in the future?
     
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    Upon examination, however, the discrepancy between the U.S. and other countries appears largely due to country-to-country differences in the way infant mortality statistics are compiled. Infant mortality is defined differently in different countries, and the U.S. definition is notably broader than that of most other countries.
    Infant Mortality Rate by Country 2022

    For the fees, since it is usually the insurance company charged, yes I've see a lot of strange fees added to the bill. Whereas if we paid the bill directly, those fees are not added.
    A little extra cheddar added since the payment comes from a large pool of money.

    If we had a single payer system, since the pool of money would be even larger, I'd expect these extra fees to be added in even greater number.
     
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    My friend’s Aunty apparently got charged like 1,500 a few years back for childbirth and I think 50$ per “holding” also something about food. I’m not sure.
    Needless to say I was floored when she told me :confused::eek:
     
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    **** that sounds cheap for a medical procedure.
     
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    How's that since it hasn't happened in single payer countries, and not only that they tend to have lower costs?
     
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    That’s considered cheap?
    Seriously?

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    In the U.S., the average cost of a vaginal birth is $13,024, including standard predelivery and postdelivery expenses such as facility fees and doctor fees. A cesarean section (C-section) is much more expensive, costing an average of $22,646 including standard predelivery and postdelivery expenses.

    Average Childbirth Costs & How to Pay With Health Insurance.
     
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  8. SomeRandom

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    Well, in fairness, in all countries that have universal or mixed systems (like Oz) all medications by default first have to prove themselves to be cost effective before purchase. That’s why our scripts (especially generic brands) are cheaper. Our government literally won’t purchase them if they prove to be too expensive.

    You guys might have to implement incentives for lower prices, if you were to transition to single payer or universal health care. Which I hope you guys can do in the future, don’t get me wrong.
    I can see some who could potentially take advantage of that all the same
    Like even here, doctors can actually charge whatever they want, by law
    It’s just that the government has multiple incentives in place in order to get doctors to bulk bill (use the public system and abide by the “refund scheme.”)
     
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    I don’t even think our student debt is that much. Like holy damn
     
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    California is trying.
     
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    I can only hope for them to succeed then.
    I would personally prefer the US to join the rest of the world, so to speak.
    But baby steps I suppose
     
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    In my country the overall cost is 0 euros. Speaking of public hospitals, of course. Including the ambulance.
    The birth rates are already low. If women have to pay too, the number of births will be reduced to zero.
     
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    This might be in bad taste so please forgive me
    But if a kid costs that much just to birth in the US I’d have an abortion every time.
    Seriously. Screw that
     
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    Ehh. We don’t pay for childbirth in my country either. It hasn’t really affected our overall birth rates that much, that I’m aware of, anyway. More people wait until after they get degrees and secure jobs, I suppose.

    But really in today’s economy, can you really blame anyone for not wanting kids? Lol
     
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    The State is aware that the austerity measures, started since the early 2000s by the EU, are the direct cause for this. It will ultimately affect the school system, since if there are less kids, there will be less schools and less teachers will be needed.
    So it is quite negative, I believe.
     
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    Perhaps.
    But there’s already large strains on schooling systems, well at least there are where I live. Less schools requiring less teachers could end up being a blessing in the long run.

    It’s not always doom and gloom with a lower population and we are considered greatly overpopulated as a species as it is.
    It’s just that we’ve eliminated a lot of the biological pressures that forces our breeding habits (for lack of a better phrase.)
    Just endlessly having kids isn’t actually a good thing either. A middle ground is preferable. Both from an environmental standpoint and indeed a biological standpoint.
    (Pregnancy significantly affects the pregnant person. Having consecutive pregnancies is actually not at all healthy for the human body overall.)
     
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    I'm in the state of Iowa(what state you're in makes a difference).

    With my first son 16 years ago, I paid zilch. I got state insurance, which paid in full throughout the pregnancy. It paid for all my needs. 6 weeks postpartum, I was removed from insurance(as was customary). Any medical needs I had were now for me to pay in full. My son remained on insurance.

    Similar experience with my second son, 8 years ago.

    With my third son 3 years ago, it was the same, except the laws had changed, and I remained on insurance, just a different version of it.

    I was considered well below the poverty level for the first two. I'm still considered low income, as I qualify for state insurance, but now make enough that I don't qualify for food stamps or other financial programs.
     
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    Yes...or maybe smaller classes with few kids will enable teachers to follow children's learning more.
    Yes, a middle ground is preferable.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Forgive my rudeness.
    But if you don’t mind explaining the differences to me.
    Why does having insurance preclude you from other financial aid?
    If you don’t mind my asking
     
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