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  1. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Interesting question. When we talk about boredom we are referring to the state of being weary and restless through lack of interest, according to Websters dictionary. To ask the question, how could an all powerful God deal with being bored, supposes a bunch of stuff. First, we empathize and...
  2. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    I'm not sure that this is what I'm looking for. It is very weak and nonspecific as to what God did and that you don't have to stretch it into this clearly shows him performing an act of love. It is clear that god is not impregnating these women with male children, i.e., Jacob says: “Am I in the...
  3. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    I think I've read everything posted that was responding to me. Are you are referring to the couple of verses where rain falls on the just as well as the unjust? If so, then maybe you'd like to tell me why you think that specifically address the question. Without further explanation I cannot...
  4. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    So far no Christian has offered a single example of God's demonstration of love without invoking a human sacrifice or just pointing to a verse that overtly states, "that god loves you". Please direct me to the specific demonstration of love you allude to.
  5. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Don't be discouraged. My question was genuine. However, so far no Christian has offered a single example of God's demonstration of love without invoking a human sacrifice or just pointing to a verse that overtly states, "that god loves you". It says that God IS love, but it is likely impossible...
  6. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    I like your response. There is some common ground. You make two statements that identify your position and why you take that position. 1) "It was either created or came to be spontaneously. Can you think of another possibility." Yes I can, as well as other theoretical physicists and...
  7. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    What makes the question I posed to Christians, senseless, unless I believe in levitation and magic? You question the book I'm reading? Me to. The book I'm reading contains many flaws, contradictions and does not meet the standard criteria of source reliability used by historians. The books...
  8. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Your previous reply can be broken down as such: If god exists 1) he CREATED THE UNIVERSE, 2) his sole purpose was to spawn self-aware creatures 3) All that is why morality is innate. My question is: If god exists you start assuming that "if this is the case" (my emphasis) then he CREATED THE...
  9. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    You said, "God, if It exists, created the universe for the sole purpose of spawning self-aware creatures which is the basis for an inherent morality". If it exists, what sense data did you use to make that conclusion? Where did you get that information? Would it not be just as likely that we...
  10. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    It was from memory. I read the wiki article and see that (citation needed) it lacks authentication. Nevertheless, the picture-story serves as an allegory to similar real life occurrences. Thanks for taking the time to verify my tale!
  11. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    If she was capable of understanding, what then? Hell? You said: Secondly, I believe the suffering Jesus endured has an eternal aspect which we in our finite state cannot comprehend. I agree 100% with you here. I certainly cannot understand it. You then site support for what you believe...
  12. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    I agree that is what it is exactly like. The entire business of atonement was a practice that preceded Moses and the Hebrews. Ancient humans believed they could appease the gods by sacrificing something. It was quite evident that the gods would take things away from these simple and...
  13. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Doggonit! Anytime someone tells me about the day and a half of suffering Jesus went through around 2000 years ago I always think about this starving little girl. She was so weak from hunger that she could not crawl away. She was not a Christian and after the vultures ripped her little body to...
  14. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    I used the type of love that is usually most emotionally charged in order to make my point. If by agape you mean to give of yourself unconditionally, then that would describe my acts of kindness such as giving money to the hungry. When I said, "I don't think anyone I know does something to show...
  15. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Congratulations, you are the first to correct my crazy math! Thanks for reading my post and responding, was hoping a Christian would notice :) What do you think about the crazy long line of Hebrews? The line would actually be 75 miles longer than the distance between Cairo and Jerusalem. You...
  16. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Someone can give food to someone because of love but you and I give food to folks every day, through taxes, and I know I didn't do it with love. I've also given money to people with cardboard signs that say, will work for food. I didn't love them. I was merely sympathetic and empathetic. The...
  17. OnePointSix18

    What did Jesus Look Like?

    I appreciate the recognition. I think that religion and critical inquiry are the most important conversations we can have.
  18. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    According to the Exodus story ALL the Israelites that left Egypt perished in the desert! All 2,000,000 + of them, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun. You can't make this stuff up! Almost nobody reads the bible. They are told stories that are cherry picked. Almost no one...
  19. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    Thanks for the reply! I understand many types of atonement, moral influence theory, Christ Victor Theory, Satisfaction Theory, Substitution theory and so on...I understand that the majority consensus changes over time and they are all devilishly twisted and are a conclusion to proposition batch...
  20. OnePointSix18

    Christians, how does God demonstrate he "loves us", without referencing a human sacrifice...

    You pointed out...How about the Mana (bread/life) he gave to the Isrealites (I think Genesis or Exodus)? I have thought about this one and don't think this qualifies as a demonstration of love. Think of the WWII POW's in Japanese prisons. They were fed. The Hebrews were God's prisoners in the...
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