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  1. Wotan

    if not evolution

    That's neat. Can I steal that line?:D
  2. Wotan

    The Problem of Pain: a focussed discussion

    Need a dime?:D
  3. Wotan

    The Problem of Pain: a focussed discussion

    No, you ASSUME facts not in evidence. (How like a theist:rolleyes:). I read Mere Christianity and Out of the Silent Planet before I went to college. ( I was also required to sit thru the movie about the magic wardrobe recently:() None was worth the time invested. I had a very LOW opinion of...
  4. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    Consider the lamp beside your bed. You turn it on by a switch. If you do NOT turn on the switch the lamp cannot light up. Turning on the switch is a necessary condition for the lamp to work. But it is NOT sufficient. If the bulb is burned out the lamp won’t light. If there is no current in...
  5. Wotan

    The Problem of Pain: a focussed discussion

    Frankly I have more and more useful things on my reading list. C.S. Lewis frankly is not worth my time. Now if you to discuss either of the 2 St "A's" THAT might be useful. But Lewis is just too shallow and illogical for me.
  6. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    It is not a tangent. It IS what they believe. And given the opportunity they will enforce it. As we see NOW in places where they can. The fact that these two posters here may not be willing to say so is irrelevant. It IS in the mythology as they have both admitted.
  7. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    "Some of the people who believe in god, kill in his name. Others don't. Whats your point?" Precisely that. What part of "necessary but not sufficient" do you not understand?:(
  8. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    Dress it up any way you like. Use the 'So's your old man' defense. Pretend you are the holy martyr. Doesn't matter. If you do not believe in a god you will not be willing to kill in its name.
  9. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    It a necessary but not sufficient condition. The simple and obvious truism: If you do not believe in a god you will not be willing to kill in its name.
  10. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    And yes Badram, if not curtailed by law these absolute supernatural religions ALWAYS end in Torquemada's bloody tyranny.:sad4: It only takes a certain number of people to do something, it doesn't have to mean that anybody who believes in this would do this or...
  11. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    "But do you really argue that non-Muslims should live by Muslim law? Do you really think for even a second that Muslim's ideals are better than everyone else's? That goes beyond thinking that Islam is true and other beliefs are false; that steps into an entirely different territory. Is it...
  12. Wotan

    Less Polite Superstitious Religious folks

    "Give me a question and I'll give you a verse." What's the square root of -1?
  13. Wotan

    Less Polite Superstitious Religious folks

    "Please tell me you're not really that stupid." He might tell you that but it wouldn't change the fact. MoF, you got a god? Bring it around for a chat. We can settle this whole matter in a few minutes. Course if you can't - or won't - do that. . . . ? Or if your god is shy and doesn't...
  14. Wotan

    the hour of power....not. it's more like the hour is sour

    Oh Lord Won't You Buy Me A SP9Dj2nvW3Q Mercedes Benz
  15. Wotan

    Beaten to death with a brick for opposing arranged marriage

    "everything is open to interpretation, my friend...even our beloved Constitution." The Constitution doesn't claim to be the inerrant Word of the one and only living God.:facepalm:
  16. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand" And who defines "evil?"
  17. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    Because you have no right to impose the tenets of your hateful medieval myth on ME or anyone else. If Allah's law means something to you follow it. If you think you are going to meet this thing after death believe it. Worry every day about it. Structure your life around it. Agonize daily about...
  18. Wotan

    Beaten to death with a brick for opposing arranged marriage

    IOW, it means whatever YOU say it means. Or whatever the guy next door says it means. Or whatever some Imam says it means. Or whatever some guy reading it thinks it means to him. In short, or doesn't mean anything.:(
  19. Wotan

    A glance at Saudi government-approved fatwas

    And I simply do NOT believe you.:( These religious ideas become LAW in EVERY country where you guys the power to make it so. You guys are adamant that Islam IS a political philosophy - nay MORE. It is a total code for ALL aspects of one's life. For the true believer it is central to his...
  20. Wotan

    Beaten to death with a brick for opposing arranged marriage

    "no, he didn't read your post or he wouldn't have replied like he did. :rolleyes:" Not only did I read it I quoted it. IF this were the perfect Word of God w/o error or possibility of error EVERYONE reading it would have the SAME interpretation. There wouldn't BE different versions of this...
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