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Am I shaman?

Middnight23

New Member
Ok! I am new so yea. I believe in god. But also with animal dieties and power animals. What Religion is this?? Please help! I really want to know what the name of it is that I actually believe in. Its like, I belive in animal gods for earth wind and for all the other animals like on ox.compsoc.net/~dwsjc/ff/deities/animal.html My think my power animal is a snake, but I have yet to communicate with it. Is all this shamanism? I have been searching the last month for the name of my religion. I belive in animal guards around your house. And barriers.....so...any suggestions??
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Middnight23 said:
Ok! I am new so yea. I believe in god. But also with animal dieties and power animals. What Religion is this?? Please help! I really want to know what the name of it is that I actually believe in. Its like, I belive in animal gods for earth wind and for all the other animals like on ox.compsoc.net/~dwsjc/ff/deities/animal.html My think my power animal is a snake, but I have yet to communicate with it. Is all this shamanism? I have been searching the last month for the name of my religion. I belive in animal guards around your house. And barriers.....so...any suggestions??

It sounds like shamanism is a part of your spirituality.

I personally believe that one's spirituality is bigger than any label we can attach to it. I wouldn't worry so much about labeling it as I would developing it. It sounds like you have a mix of beliefs from various earth-based spiritual traditions.

Welcome to RF! Discussing and debating here is sure to help you find your path, and maybe your label if you so desire! :)
 

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
Welcome to RF. Your beliefs sound so interesting! Perhaps my power animal is the whale. I often have dreams of them. I agree with GC, your spirituality is bigger than any labels attached to it. The snake is a spiritual symbol in Hinduism though. The cobra represents the Kundalini energy which travels along the spine and opens our chakras, if they are ready to be opened that is. :)
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
True Shamanism is a specific set of Siberian religious practices.
Shamans go through specific trials and tests, live by very specific rules and practice very specific rituals.

Power animals and so on sounds more the 'modern' definition of 'shamanism'.
Lots of religions and spiritualitys seek wisdom and guidance from animal spirits.
I would find better referances than the one you list though.... :cool:

wa:do
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
I wouldn't consider animals to play a large part in my belief system, but I must say, I've always had an affinity with tigers

I love tigers and I love the raw power that seems, in part, concealed by their exceptional beauty

I also recently found out I was (coincidentally?) born in the year of the tiger..
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
interesting book but take it with a grain of salt.... especally any parts regarding first nations beliefs.

wa:do
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
There are several religions that hold what you described.
Also, IMHO, a Shaman is more than just a religious title. A Shaman is a leader, a counselor, a healer, and someone for people to turn to when they need help and advice.

interesting book but take it with a grain of salt.... especally any parts regarding first nations beliefs.
Yes. It is interesting though how some call it the "bible" of animal themed books.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Hey there P.W. , Mister V , and Luke . Long time ... :) And hello to everyone I haven't yet met .

Middnight , I am about to give you a non-answer here , but hopefully , some of it will make sense . :) Shaman is a word that has taken on quite a wide range of meanings . And I agree with Lady Wolf , in that we should respect those who have used the word before us . Which is one reason why I don't call myself a Shaman . I take a Shamanic view of Life . The other reason I don't call my self a Shaman is because everytime we label ourselves , we are saying what we are not , as much as we are saying what we are ... Others have already defined that label , if you know what I mean ? So , in a way , it is a matter of giving respect to others , as will as to ourselves .

Personally , I don't believe in " Animal Gods ". I do believe in Animal Spirits . :) But again , " god " is word with many meanings . But as I view Spiritualism as a Path of Enlightment ", a way to know yourself and your part in the greater picture , it isn't for me to define " god " for you . That is for you to decide upon .

As for if you follow a " Shamanic Path "? Again , that isn't for me to answer . You will have to " journey " to find that out . I am not going to get into what a " journey " is , or is not . :) It seems that too has a few definations . But there are several books out there that could be helpful . Although his metods didn't really work for me , his book did show me what to look for . Sign post if you well . So I recommend Micheal Harper's book , " The Way of the Shaman " as a start .

Ted Andrews' book " Animal Speaks " is also good for a beginning . Although I would be careful in taking it as " biblical truth "... :) Be careful in taking anything another says as " your " truth . Once you get to know something , or someone , you can make your own decissions on what it is . And for me , that is what Spiritualism is all about . Regilion tells you what is , Spiritualism allows you to decide what is for you .

Pleasant journeys . It is a quite a trip . ;)
 

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
Shamanism is a term used widely to describe spiritual practices of many different indigenous people, ranging from the eskimo to australian aborigines. It did not originate with the siberian steppes though thats a commonly held belief, the term most likely came from the same root word as the chinese word for "ascetic". I think you can be a shaman without believing in power animals, as I think the modern equivalent of the shaman is the psychiatrist. But its all the same, putting the mind in touch with the invisible world in order to engender healing.
Shamanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Ukonkivi

Member
Eh, saying people are not "real Shamans" and "Plastic Shamans" is just a type of cultural appropriation to further help imply that people cannot escape cultural stereotypes and that Abrahamic religion is Western and Pagan spirituality is Eastern, which is obviously not true.

Shamanism in Western tongue has become a very encompassing tongue. Shinto is a Shamanist religion. And one of the most complicated ones on this planet if not the most complicated. But I'd say they'd be some of the most eclectic and open Pagans on the planet, and have no idea or notion of "Core Shaman" with their Shamanic religion.

I'd say it's very easy for Westerner to become a Shintoist. And Shinto is again, one of the most complicated Shamanist religions on the planet. And aside from the immigration thing, it shouldn't be too hard to become heavily involved in it's "official" practices such as devoting yourself to a shrine. There are many non-Japanese who partake in Japanese style Buddhism, and Japanese Buddhism has been heavily influenced by Shinto, so much so that I'd say the two are near inseparable.

Shamanism in Siberia, to my knowledge, is just like anywhere, slightly disagreeable in some ways.
Not all the Native Americans had the same ideas about the spirit world. Slight variation is natural, it doesn't mean one is a "fake Shaman" or that one should be wary of taking a Shamanic path and calling themselves one. The term "Plastic Shaman" is often too much like the word Bisexual, and people telling someone they "can't be bisexual because bisexuals don't exist". I think that people need to realize that Shaman encompasses a wide variety of things. And is a kind of macrocosm label, just like Pagan, and Magic. And it also reminds me of the term "true Christian" some Christians use. Who is to say who is a "true Christian"? And just the same, who is to say who is a true Shaman?

As a Polyculturalist, Gaia theory believing Animist, I believe that Animism is something that binds Eurasian culture together, not breaks it apart.

And I don't know about Core Shaman elitists, but at the very least I must say that OP is a Animist.
If you're not a "Core Shaman" Op, you're most definitely an Animist.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Shamanism in Siberia, to my knowledge, is just like anywhere, slightly disagreeable in some ways.
Not all the Native Americans had the same ideas about the spirit world. Slight variation is natural, it doesn't mean one is a "fake Shaman" or that one should be wary of taking a Shamanic path and calling themselves one. The term "Plastic Shaman" is often too much like the word Bisexual, and people telling someone they "can't be bisexual because bisexuals don't exist". I think that people need to realize that Shaman encompasses a wide variety of things. And is a kind of macrocosm label, just like Pagan, and Magic. And it also reminds me of the term "true Christian" some Christians use. Who is to say who is a "true Christian"? And just the same, who is to say who is a true Shaman?
Plastic shamans are people who falsely claim specific cultural practices/identity and sell them to the unsuspecting. They sell misinformation as genuine First nation beliefs.

wa:do

ps. I've never met or heard of a First Nations spiritual leader ever calling themselves a 'shaman'. Priest, elder and nation specific terms yes... 'shaman' no.
 
Hi,
as I understand it, shamanism was originally an anthropological term applied to cultures in which healers/diviners exist that contact the spirit world in order to obtain information, e.g. how to cure a patient. In that sense, there are some very general parallels between Native Americans and Central Asian cultures, which is why they were once classified both under the label.

But there are also profound differences, and shamanism is a label attributed to cultures from the outside. Thus, Native Americans rightly object to the term.

In any case, shamans, or medicine people in Native American terms, are specialists. To become a shaman, it takes talent but also a life time of learning. Contrary to what the New Age movement says, it is not a path of self development. As an analogy, in my culture I might be a bit of a musician and strum the guitar for a bit, but would not have the talent nor the dedication to become a professional. In cultures with "shamanism" (in the broad anthropological sense) not everybody becomes a shaman. In contrast, often people struggle with this because they know how hard it is, because on top of their normal responsibilities (work, family etc) they will have to take responsibility for patients.
 
Plastic shamans, shamanism as a religion:

My understanding is that the core of shamanism are certain techniques that allow to enter a trance state to contact the spirit world. However that is embedded in a set of ethical codes and beliefs that are culture specific.

Still especially ethical codes are very important, because else the trance technique can do more damage than good. Allegedly, there are all types of spirits, not all of which are useful. I don't believe in bad spirits rather that a person who is power-greedy can damage him/herself by following some delusions.

Another thing are imposters. They are money greedy and have no real powers, other than being manipulative. True shamans/medicine people aren't manipulative in the sense of cult leaders,they rather try to support the patient in what he or she is.

Speaking about asian shamanism, a friend who is an ethnologist holds the opinion that in a number of asian countries shamanism became formalised. That means, the priests still do the dancing and singing etc of the original shamanic rites, but it has become external. Thus not too sure about shinto.

As what regards neo-shamanism and New Age, that's a broad field and I think it's wrong to condemn them all. But be suspicious if there is money involved. Also think about what you expect from those people.

An example. Recently a lot of people offer "Native American sweat lodges" here in the UK for money. AS I had come into contact with the sweat lodge in the 1980s through a friend, and out of sheer curiosity, I went to a comemricial one here. I am against paying (in this case £50), but it was worth seeing what they do. It used some external elements of the seat lodge how I know it, but it was very different. First,some of the ceremonial rules were given up. Second, a lot of other stuff was brought into it, some group-dynamic exercised, some mythology narration of allegedly Germanic mythology (the guy found the label "Native European Sweat lodge"). In conclusion, it was very much centered on teh New Age narrations on the importance and power of self transformartion. In the sweat lodge how I know it, however, you are asked to pray for others first, for you only last. Well, I have reservations against the New Age lodge, because I think if you wnat to do religion, do it 100% committed (and not against money), if you wanna do psychotyherapy, do it 100% (which involves money, but there it's clear that you pay to solve a specific problem), but not a mish mash of a bit of everything. But that's just me, the other people seemed to love it.

But then, looking at the training of the leader, he was maybe around 35 and said he had first come into contact with the sweat 10 years ago in the US, and then decided to bring it to Europe. Well, in the Lakota tradition, as I have heard it (I am white) if you want to become a sweat lodge leader, you can't just do it. You need to have a vocational experience, and convince an elder that this is true and not made up. Then you have to do a number of quite demanding ceremonies I don't wnat to list here because I am not Lakota and might have gotten it wrong, but teh point I wnat to get at is that it takes a long time, at least 8 years. And then you can open your lodge but are considered a beginner . The guy who was offering the seminar, however, already offers courses for quite a lot of money to train other people to become sweat lodge leaders in only three years. I am not saying there is an universal law how it should be, but clearly the New Age scene has a tendency to water down the standards of the spiritual practices they have picked up all over the planet. And try to make money out of it.
 
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