Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

Kathryn said:

What? It's all over the internet but whatevs.

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Many things are.
Tis best when those making claims, & know
what they're searching for take on the task.
Not those who ask questions of them.

Kathryn said:

Here. I'll help you out.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/world/pope-francis-catholic-church-law-intl/index.html

The Catholic Church sex abuse crisis: 4 essential reads

A French report on the scale of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy is the latest revelation in the crisis, but its roots go back decades – or more. Here are a few of our many related articles.

theconversation.com

https://www.abchttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-revises-church-law-updates-rules-sexual-abuse-n1269207.net.au/news/2021-06-02/pope-francis-church-law-priests-sexual-abuse-adults/100183472
These are just a few of many articles.

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My quick perusal found nothing addressing the
current state of affairs, ie, no statistics about the
number of abused children. The Church's progress
should be measured.

Kathryn said:

What? It's all over the internet but whatevs. Here. I'll help you out.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/world/pope-francis-catholic-church-law-intl/index.html

The Catholic Church sex abuse crisis: 4 essential reads

A French report on the scale of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy is the latest revelation in the crisis, but its roots go back decades – or more. Here are a few of our many related articles.

theconversation.com

https://www.abchttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-revises-church-law-updates-rules-sexual-abuse-n1269207.net.au/news/2021-06-02/pope-francis-church-law-priests-sexual-abuse-adults/100183472
These are just a few of many articles.

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Yep, and I remember at our parish the apologies and the plans to make sure this doesn't happen again. Each Sunday these messages were repeated, especially with the church personnel on how to keep an eye & ear out for especially the children but not just limited to them.

Now don't get me wrong as both my wife and I were upset enough with the Church's carelessness to stop going for two months. Even when we first came back, we wanted to know which actions were being taken. This hit us had because our youngest daughter had her breasts fondled by the choir director there, so we went to the priest and the director was fired.

metis said:

Yep, and I remember at our parish the apologies and the plans to make sure this doesn't happen again. Each Sunday these messages were repeated, especially with the church personnel on how to keep an eye & ear out for especially the children but not just limited to them.

Now don't get me wrong as both my wife and I were upset enough with the Church's carelessness to stop going for two months. Even when we first came back, we wanted to know which actions were being taken. This hit us had because our youngest daughter had her breasts fondled by the choir director there, so we went to the priest and the director was fired.

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Over here, that would be considered a mandatory reporting incident (to the police).
I hope your daughter wasn't too troubled by it, and am sad there are people that would take advantage of her like that.

lewisnotmiller said:

Over here, that would be considered a mandatory reporting incident (to the police).

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Here it's mandatory as well.

lewisnotmiller said:

I hope your daughter wasn't too troubled by it, and am sad there are people that would take advantage of her like that.

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What was especially difficult was around the same time, a man tried to abduct her while she was walking to her girlfriend's house a couple of blocks away. We told her if anyone tried this, go to any house and pound on the door and yell/scream-- and she did just that. That's at the same time in her life that she had trouble passing out without warning, but it turned out that this was a neurological problem that lasted almost 2 years. One of the times she passed out coming off the expressway near us and went head-on into a Cadillac. She was lucky to be alive and had to be hospitalized.

She's 54 now, has three "children", and is doing quite well.

Thank you so much for your words of sympathy.

metis said:

Yep, and I remember at our parish the apologies and the plans to make sure this doesn't happen again. Each Sunday these messages were repeated, especially with the church personnel on how to keep an eye & ear out for especially the children but not just limited to them.

Now don't get me wrong as both my wife and I were upset enough with the Church's carelessness to stop going for two months. Even when we first came back, we wanted to know which actions were being taken. This hit us had because our youngest daughter had her breasts fondled by the choir director there, so we went to the priest and the director was fired.

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I'm so glad the choir director was fired. We had a priest who was defrocked and sentenced to life in prison for having an affair with a 14 year old girl.

Heyo said:

I've seen and recognized your link only after my last post. And while I applaud that single case and some of the efforts the RCC has taken to deal with the problem, there is still the mindset in part of the Curia that the church should be outside the law or at least have vast privileges. Not all dioceses work together well with secular law enforcement, and some have refused to do so in cases of past sexual assault.

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Please provide at least fairly current links that support your position - thanks.

Sanctimony masquerading as human dignity. What lurks beneath white collars and pointy hats that people feel they must defend?

The Boston Globe's investigative journalism unit 'Spotlight' was poised to break the sex abuse story when 9/11 happened and they were forced to put it on hold. It never got the attention it deserved. Even after the movie came out in 2015, again exposing the Catholic Church, which is a rather stunning example of the power that they wield.

I encourage everyone to see it. Just before the credits they list the places this occurred. Not a corner of the planet spared the raping of little children.

Kathryn said:

Please provide at least fairly current links that support your position - thanks.

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"Nach katholischer Überzeugung hat Christus die Kirche als rechtlich verfasste Heilsanstalt mit eigener rechtlicher Hoheitsmacht auf Augenhöhe mit dem Staat gegründet. Aus diesem Selbstverständnis heraus nimmt sie für sich das Recht in Anspruch, Straftaten unabhängig von der Staatsgewalt zu verfolgen und zu sanktionieren." - Strafen, Fristen, Täter: So geht das Kirchenrecht mit Missbrauch um

"Verstöße gegen das Kirchenrecht ohne Konsequenzen

Wie die Gutachten zeigen, haben sich Bischöfe nicht an ihre eigenen Leitlinien gehalten, also weder ein kirchenrechtliches Verfahren eingeleitet noch die weltlichen Strafverfolgungsbehörden informiert, obwohl sie sich dazu 2010 verpflichtet hatten. Auch die Meldung an die Glaubenskongregation in Rom erfolgte nicht konsequent. Erst seit 2019 können Bischöfe nach Kirchenrecht dafür bestraft werden, vorher hatten die Verstöße gegen kirchliches Recht für sie keine Konsequenzen." - Missbrauch: Warum gab es kaum Strafverfahren gegen Geistliche?

"Sexueller Missbrauch: Immer noch ein Tabuthema in der Kirche
Ein weiterer Befund der Wissenschaftler ist beunruhigend: Beim sexuellen Missbrauch Minderjähriger durch katholische Geistliche handle es nicht um "eine in der Vergangenheit abgeschlossene und mittlerweile überwundene Thematik". Denn obwohl sich die katholische Kirche Richtlinien für die Missbrauchsprävention gegeben hat, wird deren Umsetzung in den Diözesen sehr unterschiedlich gehandhabt. Manche Bistümer haben nicht einmal feste Stellen für diese Arbeit vorgesehen. Entgegen der Leitlinien werden auch kirchliche Amtsträger als Missbrauchsbeauftragte eingesetzt und nicht unabhängige Experten." - Bittere Zahlen: Die Missbrauchsstudie der Katholischen Kirche

To those who don't speak German, sorry, but it is what I see most and @Kathryn, who requested the links, does understand them.
Very short translation: the RCC tries to handle the sexual missconduct scandal but not everybody follows the rules.

Germany - the land of Martin Luther, who is still valued in many circles. Gotcha.

Kathryn said:

Germany - the land of Martin Luther, who is still valued in many circles. Gotcha.

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Luther....wasn't the the one who
lived on a diet of worms? Ew.

Revoltingest said:

Luther....wasn't the the one who
lived on a diet of worms? Ew.

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LOL no.

Kathryn said:

LOL no.

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Bet ya dint expect such sophstimacated humor from me, did ya!
(Learned about'm in grade school. Abe Lincoln was in me class.
We knew that boy would go far.)

LadyJane said:

The Boston Globe's investigative journalism unit 'Spotlight' was poised to break the sex abuse story when 9/11 happened and they were forced to put it on hold.

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The Globe had brought the scandal to Rome's doorstep by forcing the then archbishop to face a deposition. In order to avoid this legal deposition
the archbishop resigned, Pope Paul II called him back to Rome and gave him a rather presteguis church.

pearl said:

The Globe had brought the scandal to Rome's doorstep by forcing the then archbishop to face a deposition. In order to avoid this legal deposition
the archbishop resigned, Pope Paul II called him back to Rome and gave him a rather presteguis church.

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The members of society that children are taught to trust hold an immense responsibility and we base it on a costume. A white collar or police uniform symbolizes "good" so they are told it is safe to approach them when they find themselves in times of trouble. Unlike every other stranger they may otherwise encounter.

This means that anyone donning such an outfit who takes advantage of that privilege is a seedy sort of scoundrel in an entirely separate category of betrayal. Covering up these crimes, or looking the other way, may be a way to maintain the faith but that relies on the same wishful thinking that makes believers in the first place.

Relocating pedophile priests takes orchestration. Which means a hell of a lot of Catholics don't seem to mind weaponizing robes designed for victimizing children. Just in someone else's church. Why does this organization, in all its aiding and abetting, lose all credibility yet never miss a beat?

LadyJane said:

The members of society that children are taught to trust hold an immense responsibility and we base it on a costume. A white collar or police uniform symbolizes "good" so they are told it is safe to approach them when they find themselves in times of trouble. Unlike every other stranger they may otherwise encounter.

This means that anyone donning such an outfit who takes advantage of that privilege is a seedy sort of scoundrel in an entirely separate category of betrayal. Covering up these crimes, or looking the other way, may be a way to maintain the faith but that relies on the same wishful thinking that makes believers in the first place.

Relocating pedophile priests takes orchestration. Which means a hell of a lot of Catholics don't seem to mind weaponizing robes designed for victimizing children. Just in someone else's church. Why does this organization, in all its aiding and abetting, lose all credibility yet never miss a beat?

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Maybe because it's old news. Also, misinformed. And finally, I think most people know that an institution that is 2000 years old doesn't move very quickly.

Remember, I came from a diocese that defrocked a priest who is now serving a life sentence for having an affair with a 14 year old girl. In, like, 2007 or something along those lines. He was guilty. He should have had the book thrown at him and it was. Many priests are found guilty and they are typically defrocked. So technically they aren't priests anymore.

Kathryn said:

Maybe because it's old news. Also, misinformed. And finally, I think most people know that an institution that is 2000 years old doesn't move very quickly.

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I doubt it's old news for victims. Living with it day after day. The ones that survived anyway. A perpetually revolving door for pedophile priests is about as current as it gets. Like forever and ever. Eh men.

About 4 percent of priests are pedophiles, which is actually a lower percentage than a lot of other institutions, including religious and non religious ones. Oh well. There's a lot of Catholics world wide and a lot of priests, so the numbers look bad till you dissect them. Not to say that I don't feel terrible for the victims, which I do. All of them.

Kathryn said:

Maybe because it's old news. Also, misinformed. And finally, I think most people know that an institution that is 2000 years old doesn't move very quickly.

Remember, I came from a diocese that defrocked a priest who is now serving a life sentence for having an affair with a 14 year old girl. In, like, 2007 or something along those lines. He was guilty. He should have had the book thrown at him and it was. Many priests are found guilty and they are typically defrocked. So technically they aren't priests anymore.

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No matter how many are defrocked and sentenced, it may never be good enough for some now the stain has stuck. The Witnesses have as many if not more such scandals but attract less attention.

Oh nothing will be good enough for some. I'm used to it.

LadyJane said:

I doubt it's old news for victims. Living with it day after day. The ones that survived anyway. A perpetually revolving door for pedophile priests is about as current as it gets. Like forever and ever. Eh men.

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Speaking of surviving or not surviving abuse, most are killed by a friend or relative. In fact, most are killed by their mothers. Pretty sure I've already given links to that info, so I won't again.