"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

metis said:

The reality is that one simply cannot separate the 10 from the 613 Commandments that Torah says were all inspired by God. However, those are only mandatory for those of Jewish ancestry.

For us Gentiles, Jesus' Two Commandments is what we are taught to follow, and you should know that.

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Stop with the strawman arguments. No once ever once said any of Gods Word was not inspired. Think what you are saying through before posting. Do you still make animal sacrifices and go to a Temple and seek out a Levite Priest and do animal sacrifices and sin offerings every time you sin? Again, the reality is your wrong. God separates the 10 commandments by putting the 10 commandments in both covenants as Gods standard of right when obeyed and sin when disobeyed. In contrast the "shadow laws" of atonement in the old covenant related to the Sanctuary and animal sacrifices and sin offerings that most of the 613 laws come from are only restricted to the old covenant and are shadow laws that point to Christ as God sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and the work of Jesus on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-27; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). Lawless gentiles who do not believe and obey Gods Word do not enter Gods kingdom (see John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23. Believing Jews and gentiles are now grafted in and are all now one in Christ (see Romans 11:13-23).

3rdAngel said:

Stop with the strawman arguments.

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It appears you don't know what "strawman" refers to.

3rdAngel said:

No one ever ones said any of Gods Word was not inspired

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Huh? Maybe rewrite the above so it makes sense.

3rdAngel said:

Do you still make animal sacrifices and go to a Temple and seek out a Levite Priest and do animal sacrifices and sin offerings every time you sin? Again, the reality is your wrong. God separates the 10 commandments by putting the 10 commandments in both covenants as Gods standard of right when obeyed and sin when disobeyed. In contrast the "shadow laws" of atonement in the old covenant related to the Sanctuary and animal sacrifices and sin offerings that most of the 613 laws come from are only restricted to the old covenant and are shadow laws that point to Christ as God sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and the work of Jesus on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-27; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). Lawless gentiles who do not believe and obey Gods Word do not enter Gods kingdom (see John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23. Believing Jews and gentiles are now grafted in and are all now one in Christ (see Romans 11:13-23).

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What does the above have to do with what I posted? Also, how some Christians may see Jews can be variable, and yes many feel they can be "grafted in". So?

This is really quite simple: Jews are to follow the 613 Commandments. Gentiles need only to follow Jesus' Two Commandments. This is not rocket science.

3rdAngel said:

Stop with the strawman arguments. No one ever ones said any of Gods Word was not inspired. Think what you are saying through before posting. Do you still make animal sacrifices and go to a Temple and seek out a Levite Priest and do animal sacrifices and sin offerings every time you sin? Again, the reality is your wrong. God separates the 10 commandments by putting the 10 commandments in both covenants as Gods standard of right when obeyed and sin when disobeyed. In contrast the "shadow laws" of atonement in the old covenant related to the Sanctuary and animal sacrifices and sin offerings that most of the 613 laws come from are only restricted to the old covenant and are shadow laws that point to Christ as God sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and the work of Jesus on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-27; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). Lawless gentiles who do not believe and obey Gods Word do not enter Gods kingdom (see John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23. Believing Jews and gentiles are now grafted in and are all now one in Christ (see Romans 11:13-23).

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Have you received the Holy Spirit?

Kenny said:

Have you received the Holy Spirit?

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God only gives His Spirit to those who believe and obey His Words (see Acts 5:32; Acts 3:19). God does not give His Spirit to those who do not believe and obey His Words. I believe and obey His Words and walk in His Spirit (Galatians 5:16; 2 Corinthians 5:7; John 6:63)

Jesus said we are not to judge others.

3rdAngel said:

God only gives His Spirit to those who believe and obey His Words (see Acts 5:32; Acts 3:19). God does not give His Spirit to those who do not believe and obey His Words. I believe and obey His Words and walk in His Spirit (Galatians 5:16; 2 Corinthians 5:7; John 6:63)

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Gal 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! 2 The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so many things for nothing?—if indeed it was for nothing. 5 Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 1:8 But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!

Looks like you are in a perilous position.

metis said: The reality is that one simply cannot separate the 10 from the 613 Commandments that Torah says were all inspired by God. However, those are only mandatory for those of Jewish ancestry. For us Gentiles, Jesus' Two Commandments is what we are taught to follow, and you should know that.

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3rdAngel said:

Stop with the strawman arguments. No once ever once said any of Gods Word was not inspired. Think what you are saying through before posting. Do you still make animal sacrifices and go to a Temple and seek out a Levite Priest and do animal sacrifices and sin offerings every time you sin? Again, the reality is your wrong. God separates the 10 commandments by putting the 10 commandments in both covenants as Gods standard of right when obeyed and sin when disobeyed. In contrast the "shadow laws" of atonement in the old covenant related to the Sanctuary and animal sacrifices and sin offerings that most of the 613 laws come from are only restricted to the old covenant and are shadow laws that point to Christ as God sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and the work of Jesus on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises (see Hebrews 7:1-27; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). Lawless gentiles who do not believe and obey Gods Word do not enter Gods kingdom (see John 3:36 and Matthew 7:21-23. Believing Jews and gentiles are now grafted in and are all now one in Christ (see Romans 11:13-23).

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metis said:

It appears you don't know what "strawman" refers to. Huh? Maybe rewrite the above so it makes sense. What does the above have to do with what I posted? Also, how some Christians may see Jews can be variable, and yes many feel they can be "grafted in". So?

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Here let me help you. You are trying to imply in your first post that I am saying that the 613 laws of the old covenant are not inspired by God that is a strawman argument that I have never said or believe. This was already stated in the second sentence of my post above and the first sentence of your post. If you understood Gods Word my response would make sense to you as I use scripture to prove to you that all of Gods 10 commandments are the standard of Christian living in both the old and new covenant scriptures and that most of the shadow laws of atonement that make of the 613 in the old covenant are done away with in Christ while God does indeed separates the 10 commandments from the rest of these laws as stated in the scriptures in Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4.

metis said:

This is really quite simple: Jews are to follow the 613 Commandments. Gentiles need only to follow Jesus' Two Commandments. This is not rocket science.

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That is not true at all. We are in the new covenant now not the old. Once again the two great commandments of love to God and man that Jesus quotes from Matthew 22:36-40 is Jesus quoting from torah in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 and Jesus says in v 40 "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (love to God and man) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS." You see obedience to Gods law from a new heart that loves (new covenant promise *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12) is how Gods love is expressed in those who believe and obey Gods Word. Therefore obedience to Gods law is expressed in a new heart that loves. If we say we love God but do not do what Gods Word says or obey his law we do not love God or neighbor and are still in our sins and unbelief. see 1 John 5:2-3.

3rdAngel said:

You are trying to imply in your first post that I am saying that the 613 laws of the old covenant are not inspired by God that is a strawman argument that I have never said or believe.

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I didn't imply anything of the kind.

3rdAngel said:

That is not true at all. We are in the new covenant now not the old.

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That's what I've been saying.

Please take time and read and try to understand what I write, OK? Seems that all you want to do is argue.

metis said:

I didn't imply anything of the kind.

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Sure you were. I quoted you and responded to you.

metis said:

That's what I've been saying.

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No you are trying to argue that Gods 10 commandment are not a requirement in the new covenant. You were proven wrong with scripture

metis said:

Please take time and read and try to understand what I write, OK? Seems that all you want to do is argue.

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I have already read what you have posted and addressed your posts with sculpture showing why I believe your claims are not truthful.

Kenny said:

Have you received the Holy Spirit?

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3rdAngel said:

God only gives His Spirit to those who believe and obey His Words (see Acts 5:32; Acts 3:19). God does not give His Spirit to those who do not believe and obey His Words. I believe and obey His Words and walk in His Spirit (Galatians 5:16; 2 Corinthians 5:7; John 6:63)

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Then you say this...

Kenny said:

Gal 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! 2 The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so many things for nothing?—if indeed it was for nothing. 5 Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 1:8 But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!

Looks like you are in a perilous position.

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You asked me if I have received the Holy Spirit. Tell me friend what is it that I posted in my response to you above that makes you think I am in a perilous position and why would you post scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about or what I posted to you? Let me say this again to you. No one receives Gods Spirit if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says because that is what Gods says not me and Gods Spirit works through the words of God not separate from them. It might help you if I post my scripture references out for you because it is clear you do not know them or read them. Here let me help you with that.

Acts 5:32 32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and SO IS THE HOLY GHOST WHO GOD GIVES TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERYONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Acts 3:19 19, REPENT YOU THEREFORE AND BE CONVERTED THAT YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED OUT AND THE TIMES OF REFRESHING SHALL COME FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.

Repentance from sin and believing and obeying what Gods Word says is Gods conditions for salvation and forgiveness of sins and receiving His Spirit.

Looks like you are the one in the perilous position right?

metis said:

Jesus said we are not to judge others.

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Jesus says we are are not to judge according to outward appearance and we are to judge righteous judgement (John 7:24). I do not judge according to outward appearance. I am only sharing scripture here. According to Jesus it is Gods Words we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-18). Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear.

3rdAngel said:

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Then you say this...

You asked me if I have received the Holy Spirit. Tell me friend what is it that I posted in my response to you above that makes you think I am in a perilous position and why would you post scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about or what I posted to you? Let me say this again to you. No one receives Gods Spirit if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says because that is what Gods says not me and Gods Spirit works through the words of God not separate from them. It might help you if I post my scripture references out for you because it is clear you do not know them or read them. Here let me help you with that.

Acts 5:32 32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and SO IS THE HOLY GHOST WHO GOD GIVES TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERYONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Acts 3:19 19, REPENT YOU THEREFORE AND BE CONVERTED THAT YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED OUT AND THE TIMES OF REFRESHING SHALL COME FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.

Repentance from sin and believing and obeying what Gods Word says is Gods conditions for salvation and forgiveness of sins and receiving His Spirit.

Looks like you are the one in the perilous position right?

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Like Galatians said…

Gal 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! 2 The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so many things for nothing?—if indeed it was for nothing. 5 Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 1:8 But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!

with the works of the Law

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Your post didn’t negate Galatians

Kenny said:

Like Galatians said…

Gal 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! 2 The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so many things for nothing?—if indeed it was for nothing. 5 Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 1:8 But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!

with the works of the Law

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Your post didn’t negate Galatians

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Now Kenny, did you even read my last post to you and the scriptures provided in them? No I do not receive Gods grace by the works of the law so why did you even post it? I received Gods Spirit because I believe Gods Word and have repented of my sins and believe and obey what His Word says which is what the scriptures teach (Acts 5:32; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23). I am saved by Gods grace through faith in His Words (Ephesians 2:8-9). This faith though is not the dead faith of devils (James 2:13-23) but a living faith walking in Gods Spirit (Galatians 5:16) that brings the fruit of obeying what Gods Word says. Now what has what you have posted above have anything do to with what I have posted? - Nothing. But I see you are upset because the scriptures teach you must believe Gods Word and repent of your sins and obey Gods Word if you want to receive Gods Spirit and His salvation and forgiveness for your sins.

3rdAngel said:

Now Kenny, did you even read my last post to you and the scriptures provided in them? No I do not receive Gods grace by the works of the law so why did you even post it? I received Gods Spirit because I believe Gods Word and have repented of my sins and believe and obey what His Word says which is what the scriptures teach (Acts 5:32; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23). I am saved by Gods grace through faith in His Words (Ephesians 2:8-9). This faith though is not the dead faith of devils (James 2:13-23) but a living faith walking in Gods Spirit (Galatians 5:16) that brings the fruit of obeying what Gods Word says. Now what has what you have posted above have anything do to with what I have posted? - Nothing. But I see you are upset because the scriptures teach you must believe Gods Word and repent of your sins and obey Gods Word if you want to receive Gods Spirit and His salvation and forgiveness for your sins.

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I'm wondering if you read the scriptures I gave you while you try to make a gift that is received by faith a work-release program.

Kenny said:

I'm wondering if you read the scriptures I gave you while you try to make a gift that is received by faith a work-release program.

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Yes I 100% read your posts and the scriptures you provided, but as posted to you earlier the scriptures you posted to me are not relevant because I do not seek to get my salvation from the works of the law but through my faith in Gods Word that leads me to obeying what Gods Word says. This is what genuine faith is. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils according to James 2:13-23. If you read my last post you were quoting from you would already know this. That is why I asked you do you even read my posted and scriptures shared with you because if you did you would not have posted what you did here.

Now tell me Kenny lets examine your claim in detail now with the scriptures. Do you seriously think you can believe what Gods Word says without doing what Gods Word says? Is that the type of faith you have? If Gods word tells us to do something and we do not do it, is that what genuine faith is to you or is that the dead faith of devils James talks about in James 2:13-23? Or do you believe that genuine faith in Gods Word leads us to believe and obey what Gods Word says? Now what do you believe Kenny? I am asking you for clarification because I do not want to misunderstand what you are saying here. So rather than assume I am asking you directly what you believe in regards to what faith is.

3rdAngel said:

Yes I 100% read your posts and the scriptures you provided, but as posted to you earlier the scriptures you posted to me are not relevant because I do not seek to get my salvation from the works of the law but though faith in Gods Word that leads me to obeying what Gods Word says. This is what genuine faith is. Anything else according to the scriptures is the dead faith of devils according to James 2:13-23. If you read my last post you were quoting from you would already know this. That is why I asked you do you even read my posted and scriptures shared with you because if you did you would not have posted what you did here.

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I read your posts… but I find it irrelevant as you continue to push works above faith and grace. And that is why I wondered if you read my post

3rdAngel said:

Now tell me Kenny lets examine your claim in detail now with the scriptures. Do you seriously think you can believe what Gods Word says without doing what Gods Word says?

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Where did I say you shouldn’t follow what God’s Holy Spirit penned in scriptures? (Please give quote)

3rdAngel said:

Is that the type of faith you have?

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Pray tell, what faith do I have? (Please give quote) - seems like you are pulling a rabbit out of your hat.

3rdAngel said:

If Gods word tells us to do something and we do not do it. Is that what faith is to you?

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Here is where you become dicey. Do you, 100%, do what God tells you to do? Did you loose your faith in the power of the blood? Do you pick up the first stone to throw at people? Do you eat with the Zacchaeus's or do you pompously parade how perfect you are like some of the Pharisees that Jesus had a problem with?

3rdAngel said:

Or do you believe that genuine faith in Gods Word leads us to believe and obey what Gods Word says? Now what do you believe Kenny?

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I believe that obedience is better than sacrifice. I believe those who are led by the Spirit are sons of God. I believe that faith without works is dead but that works to achieve grace is just as dead because you glory in your capacity when you can do nothing of yourself.

Kenny said:

I read your posts… but I find it irrelevant as you continue to push works above faith and grace. And that is why I wondered if you read my post Where did I say you shouldn’t follow what God’s Holy Spirit penned in scriptures? (Please give quote) Pray tell, what faith do I have? (Please give quote) - seems like you are pulling a rabbit out of your hat. Here is where you become dicey. Do you, 100%, do what God tells you to do? Did you loose your faith in the power of the blood? Do you pick up the first stone to throw at people? Do you eat with the Zacchaeus's or do you pompously parade how perfect you are like some of the Pharisees that Jesus had a problem with? I believe that obedience is better than sacrifice. I believe those who are led by the Spirit are sons of God. I believe that faith without works is dead but that works to achieve grace is just as dead because you glory in your capacity when you can do nothing of yourself.

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Hey Kenny, so you are not willing to answer any questions asked of you? I am happy to answer the question for you from the scriptures if you do not know the answer.

3rdAngel said:

Hey Kenny, so you are not willing to answer any questions asked of you? I am happy to answer the question for you from the scriptyures if you do not know the answer.

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I did answer. Perhaps you didn’t read what I said so let me post it again.

Kenny said:

I believe that obedience is better than sacrifice. I believe those who are led by the Spirit are sons of God. I believe that faith without works is dead but that works to achieve grace is just as dead because you glory in your capacity when you can do nothing of yourself.

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What you couldn’t do was find the quotes for what you said about me and my faith and, since you couldn’t answer my points, I can’t help but repeat Galatians again.

Kenny said:

I did answer. Perhaps you didn’t read what I said so let me post it again

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You responded but you did not answer the question. There is a difference. Its ok I will answer it for you later when I have some more time.

Kenny said:

What you couldn’t do was find the quotes for what you said about me and my faith and, since you couldn’t answer my points, I can’t help but repeat Galatians again.

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Hmm.... Ok.... what did I say about you and your faith? I posted three versions of faith and asked you which one you believe. You did not answer this question.

3rdAngel said:

You responded but you did not answer the question. There is a difference. Its ok I will answer it for you later when I have some more time.

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There is a difference of interpretation. I did answer, you just didn’t like the answer.

3rdAngel said:

Hmm.... Ok.... what did I say about you and your faith? I posted three versions of faith and asked you which one you believe. You did not answer this question.

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Yes… but you are trying to say “there are only three versions of what you think faith is”… like I have to conform to your versions of faith.

So… what I see here is that you want to put people in a box without judging yourself first. I still find Gal 3 applicable in what you are offering.

And you still didn’t answer my questions. For that matter, in your version, you didn’t even respond.