The Second Coming?

loverofhumanity · Feb 6, 2023

Left Coast said:
You haven't found that every version of Christianity, plus non-Christian religions that came after, all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible?

The thing is the Bible is balanced, people not necessarily so. With warnings of false prophets goes a promise of true ones and that we can tell them ‘by their fruits’.

So it is possible that a true prophet may appear amongst false ones with a correct interpretation of the Bible. I believe that has happened.

rational experiences · Feb 6, 2023

If a human asks what should Jesus look like?

As an image and a spirit and a man?

Most humans wouldn't know.

So if you say so Jesus came to the ground?

Yes.

Do images in crop circles come to the ground? You know scientist phi yet not phi.

As it occurs in mass.

So do you see a false calculus on the ground as a man's type image yet not any man?

Errrmmmm he says yes.

So does Jesus come down on a cloud mass?

As seemingly if a huge heavens above occurrence reacts then clouds would come down to the ground. Which you'd see. If space womb changed pressures.

As you'd say newly born again.

So would you see Jesus as a baby or Jesus the adult?

As phenomena does get witnessed.

loverofhumanity · Feb 6, 2023

Brian2 said:
Yes we are told to always be ready. We are also told that nobody knows when Jesus is coming back. (1844 cannot have been correct).
What you say about Christians having the same attitude the learned Jews had is not logical. It is what any false Christ can say when Christians who use the scriptures to recognise a false Christ, reject that false Christ. It means nothing.
Read the Bible and your brain and see that Baha'u'llah wants to change the plain meaning of the scriptures to deceive people.
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

The Bible clearly says we will know a true Prophet by His fruits and I have found Baha’u’llah to bear such fruits. To me to condemn Baha’u’llah is with the same breath condemning Jesus.

Valjean · Feb 6, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
The thing is the Bible is balanced, people not necessarily so. With warnings of false prophets goes a promise of true ones and that we can tell them ‘by their fruits’.

So it is possible that a true prophet may appear amongst false ones with a correct interpretation of the Bible. I believe that has happened.

"The Bible is balanced?" What does that mean? Balanced how?

The Bible looks to me more like a carefully cherry-picked anthology of ancient stories and myths, by unknown authors, that nevertheless manages to be full of errors, contradictions, and fantastic innuendo.

loverofhumanity · Feb 6, 2023

Valjean said:
"The Bible is balanced?" What does that mean? Balanced how?

The Bible looks to me more like a carefully cherry-picked anthology of ancient stories and myths, by unknown authors, that nevertheless manages to be full of errors, contradictions, and fantastic innuendo.

By balanced in my post I was referring to the second coming of Christ.

The balance is that the Bible doesn’t only warn of false prophets but tells us how to recognise the true prophet as well.

Brian2 · Feb 6, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
The thing is the Bible is balanced, people not necessarily so. With warnings of false prophets goes a promise of true ones and that we can tell them ‘by their fruits’.

So it is possible that a true prophet may appear amongst false ones with a correct interpretation of the Bible. I believe that has happened.

You can tell a prophet by it's fruits. What is the fruit of Baha'u'llah?
He tells us that what we read in the Bible is not true and that we should listen to him and not the Bible or what Jesus said.
He takes people from Jesus and the Kingdom of God and teaches them lies.
You do not agree with this because you already have been deceived by Baha'u'llah, but it is plain to a Christian that this is what he has done.

Brian2 · Feb 6, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
The Bible clearly says we will know a true Prophet by His fruits and I have found Baha’u’llah to bear such fruits. To me to condemn Baha’u’llah is with the same breath condemning Jesus.

How can I be condemning Jesus when I am defending what Jesus said against the words of someone who is contradicting what Jesus said?

Fool · Feb 6, 2023

Eddi said:
Question: What do we know about the second coming of Jesus Christ?

I've done some study and have found out what The Bible tells us about this issue

Maybe there are other passages about this?

If you can think of any please share!

Many people have claimed to be Jesus Christ returned

Such as Inri Cristo in Brazil

There is a rich tradition of people claiming to be Jesus:

Indeed there is a long list of them available on Wikipedia

The bible explicitly warns against people who claim to be Jesus:

Matthew 24:24

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Scripture is clear that when Jesus returns he will not be born again as a baby and then grow up into an adult

John 21:15 refers to lambs. this is a symbol of christ. christ isn't a single, exclusive individual. it's a spirit, a consciousness. that is why it is written we have the mind of christ and colossian 3:11

Eddi said:
It will be The Second Coming of Jesus Christ - not the coming of Jesus Christ II

the Spirit will not come unless jesus went away. one is a physical departure and the other a spiritual enlightenment. john 16:7

Eddi said:
It will not be a reincarnation, it will be a return!

if there is no need for an incarnation, why the first one?

It clearly says that he will descend down from Heaven in much the same way as he ascended, in a way that will be universally observed, by all humankind.

Eddi said:
Basically, he will come in such a way that cannot be faked, once it happens there will be no uncertainty that it is Jesus returning:

when a personality is removed from the earth, that personality doesn't exist anymore. reincarnation is the ascending/descending upon the head of mankind.

Eddi said:
Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory

Clearly everyone will be aware he has returned once he's returned. It will be a spectacular public event nobody will miss

everyone doesn't exist in the same time and place. so then the enlightenment has to be subjective. although it can be understood as an objective.

we know from the writings some had already seen the kingdom come and the son coming into his glory.

URAVIP2ME · Feb 6, 2023

Some had already seen the kingdom come and the Son coming into his glory 'in a VISION'- Matthew 17:9
In other words, the transfiguration scene was a VISION - Matthew 17:9
Jesus' coming 'Glory Time' is still future as per Matthew 25:31-34

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
You can tell a prophet by it's fruits. What is the fruit of Baha'u'llah?
He tells us that what we read in the Bible is not true and that we should listen to him and not the Bible or what Jesus said.
He takes people from Jesus and the Kingdom of God and teaches them lies.
You do not agree with this because you already have been deceived by Baha'u'llah, but it is plain to a Christian that this is what he has done.

These are just a repetition of the false accusations made against Christ when He first appeared. In time His truth encompassed the world. They said He was a liar and imposter then and now in self righteousness say the same about Baha’u’llah.

There’s nothing I can say or do just as Christians then we’re ignored and treated as criminals. Time, I believe, will vindicate that Baha’u’llah is the Promised return of Christ in the glory of the Father.

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
How can I be condemning Jesus when I am defending what Jesus said against the words of someone who is contradicting what Jesus said?

IF Baha’u’llah is the return of Christ in the glory of the Father then to turn away from Him is to turn away from both the Bible and Christ. IF He is the True One awaited by all then to condemn Him is to condemn Jesus for Jesus I believe spoke of Him. It’s the same as by rejecting Jesus when He first appeared it is the same as rejecting Moses because Moses spoke of Jesus.

Brian2 · Feb 7, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
These are just a repetition of the false accusations made against Christ when He first appeared. In time His truth encompassed the world. They said He was a liar and imposter then and now in self righteousness say the same about Baha’u’llah.

There’s nothing I can say or do just as Christians then we’re ignored and treated as criminals. Time, I believe, will vindicate that Baha’u’llah is the Promised return of Christ in the glory of the Father.

You are not treated as criminals by Christians afaik.

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
You are not treated as criminals by Christians afaik.

Wrong word. I meant to use ‘misled’. I think Christians are wonderful people and I have some great Christian friends. I love Jesus so much and the Bible. My love for Jesus and the Bible is what led me to accept Baha’u’llah. I could not deny Him. By doing so I would be betraying Christ as I believe He foretold Him.

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
You can tell a prophet by it's fruits. What is the fruit of Baha'u'llah?
He tells us that what we read in the Bible is not true and that we should listen to him and not the Bible or what Jesus said.
He takes people from Jesus and the Kingdom of God and teaches them lies.
You do not agree with this because you already have been deceived by Baha'u'llah, but it is plain to a Christian that this is what he has done.

I’ll try to put it another way. The physical sun that rose and set yesterday is the same sun that will rise and set today. I would be wrong to say that yesterdays sun was the true sun but today’s sun is false. The same with the Sun of Truth. The Sun of Christ and the Sun of Baha’u’llah is the same Sun. Even in Revelation Jesus says He will come with a ‘New Name’. That is the test for Christians.

Do they worship the inward light of truth or the outward lamp? So we worship the Light of God iwithin Christ and Baha’u’llah not the personality.

Brian2 · Feb 7, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
IF Baha’u’llah is the return of Christ in the glory of the Father then to turn away from Him is to turn away from both the Bible and Christ. IF He is the True One awaited by all then to condemn Him is to condemn Jesus for Jesus I believe spoke of Him. It’s the same as by rejecting Jesus when He first appeared it is the same as rejecting Moses because Moses spoke of Jesus.

The Jews reject Jesus, not Moses.
Jesus said that the Comforter would come to the disciples that Jesus was speaking to 2000 years ago, and would live with and in them and would bring to their remembrance what He has said to them. Jesus was speaking about the Holy Spirit that came to them at Pentecost (Acts 2) The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit is not Baha'u'llah.

John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Comforter to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

Jesus spoke of Himself as the Son of Man who would come to judge the earth. We know Jesus was speaking about Himself because He said that the Son was going to be doing all the judging.

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

I can only try but if you are under the influence of a great deception you will not even see, or if you do you want to believe what the deceiver tells you and not what Jesus said.

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
The Jews reject Jesus, not Moses.
Jesus said that the Comforter would come to the disciples that Jesus was speaking to 2000 years ago, and would live with and in them and would bring to their remembrance what He has said to them. Jesus was speaking about the Holy Spirit that came to them at Pentecost (Acts 2) The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit is not Baha'u'llah.

John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Comforter to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

Jesus spoke of Himself as the Son of Man who would come to judge the earth. We know Jesus was speaking about Himself because He said that the Son was going to be doing all the judging.

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

I can only try but if you are under the influence of a great deception you will not even see, or if you do you want to believe what the deceiver tells you and not what Jesus said.

Anyone who follows Jesus, I believe is very blest and on the right and true path. He is my Lord and Saviour. If all the world followed and obeyed Him what a wonderful world it would be.

Beautiful passages.

Brian2 · Feb 7, 2023

loverofhumanity said:
Anyone who follows Jesus, I believe is very blest and on the right and true path. He is my Lord and Saviour. If all the world followed and obeyed Him what a wonderful world it would be.

Beautiful passages.

Beautiful passages which show that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claims to be and that you should stick with your Lord and Saviour and wait for Him to return.

loverofhumanity · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
Beautiful passages which show that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claims to be and that you should stick with your Lord and Saviour and wait for Him to return.

All we can do then is each go his own way. In God’s good time this joyous news that Jesus has returned I believe will be vindicated just as the Cause of Christ was vindicated despite initially being rejected and denied at first.

rational experiences · Feb 7, 2023

Once our human father to baby man owned the same DNA.

Women not much different to look at than men.

Owned life.

Star fall came. Mind of man changed. Gained sun science advice as stars mass was colder as visionary. Than suns attack origin.

To predict realise be aware of science.

So when technology blew in various world nations DNA language changed.

Each nation gained a cloud father. Obvious they had.

Hence the Baha'i review would place their fathers nation with a new cloud imaged man.

Jesus had not returned or Jesus only would have been the cloud image.

So men taught. Mother womb vacuum void stopped false prediction.

Image in clouds stopped with man's image in crop circle. Above below the same.

Obvious the day went dark reason. Once only.

Since stars return we only get an alien image on the ground as Jesus hasn't yet returned so heavens pressures are wrong.

Now if man said carpenter Jesus is secret meaning plate tectonics. They did. Four day earthquake was stopped.

Meaning we should not have any new earthquakes.

We still however are.

Proving heavens mass needed cooling gas pressures are not present...Jesus had not returned.

2012 return was about yehovah. Long count old reasons.

Rome changed it by new technology so imposed zero time count as proof they had.

The whole legal reading..don't name science thesis don't do nuclear we could all now die. Real true warnings.

TransmutingSoul · Feb 7, 2023

Brian2 said:
You can tell a prophet by it's fruits. What is the fruit of Baha'u'llah?

The great thing is, they are the same fruits that Jesus gave us.

In fact, the same fruits that Muhammad, Moses and all the Messengers gave us.

No need to respond, as it was just my view of faith answering your question, which you will not agree with.

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