Question about paul and stephen.And the afterlife.For the Jehovah's Witnesses

YoursTrue said:

Unfortunately, DK20, you are again twisting the scriptures. Sad but true. Hope you get well. Bye for now again.

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Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
What scriptures are twisted? Scriptures.. "Jesus built on ROCK not on sand!" The CHURCH Jesus constructed will never fail!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH Christians to the very end of the world!

Arius WAS a Christian until he rejected what Christians have always believed... THEN...
YoursTrue then Christians rejected Arius as a False Teacher; it stands to reason all who believe as Arius today are NOT Christian!

YoursTrue FACT.. Christians believe Jesus is God! Always have believed Jesus is God!
Fact.. Christians use the "Cross" as their symbol of "Christianity" FACT: You see a person making "the sign of the cross" you know instantly the person is a Christian! You see a building with a "Cross" on it you know instantly it is Christian Church!
It was by the CROSS that man was saved!

The scriptures are very clear.. Jesus is God... Christians believe in "ONE" (1) God not the many gods as the JW's believe!
FACT: The JW's added the letter "A" to their scripturas to say there are many gods NOT just one! NOT.....
YoursTrue not one Christian translation has the letter "A" added to John 1:1! Anti-Christian JW's believe in many God'!

Dogknox20 said:

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Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
What scriptures are twisted? Scriptures.. "Jesus built on ROCK not on sand!" The CHURCH Jesus constructed will never fail!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH Christians to the very end of the world!

Arius WAS a Christian until he rejected what Christians have always believed... THEN...
YoursTrue then Christians rejected Arius as a False Teacher; it stands to reason all who believe as Arius today are NOT Christian!

YoursTrue FACT.. Christians believe Jesus is God! Always have believed Jesus is God!
Fact.. Christians use the "Cross" as their symbol of "Christianity" FACT: You see a person making "the sign of the cross" you know instantly the person is a Christian! You see a building with a "Cross" on it you know instantly it is Christian Church!
It was by the CROSS that man was saved!

The scriptures are very clear.. Jesus is God... Christians believe in "ONE" (1) God not the many gods as the JW's believe!
FACT: The JW's added the letter "A" to their scripturas to say there are many gods NOT just one! NOT.....
YoursTrue not one Christian translation has the letter "A" added to John 1:1! Anti-Christian JW's believe in many God'!

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You're once again doing the twist.

Eli G said:

Worshipers of Christ interpret acts of homage to Jesus as an acknowledgment that he was equal to God. Analyze the case of the astrologers who went to pay tribute to the boy who would be king of the Jews. The Bible says that they rendered him proskynewo when they came to where the boy was, while offering him their gifts. Were they "worshiping" God? Obviously not. They were paying tribute to a king.

Matt. 2:11 And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did obeisance to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh.

That is the same word that worshipers of Christ interpret as "worship" of Jesus by his followers. Obviously, they are not thinking clearly because of their preconceived idea of a Christ who is God. Jesus is the Son of God and deserves all tribute and praise that is due to a King, Son of God...but sacred worship belongs to Jehovah God, his Father.

Matt. 4:10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

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I don't think DogKnox20 likes analyzing things carefully. Because it goes against his natural grain. It doesn't matter to him what Jesus said. But thank you for your astute analysis. As the Son of God, Jesus wields power now. He said so to his disciples after his resurrection. And Hebrews 1:9 says about Jesus Christ himself (KJV): "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." "Thy God"? Now whatever can that mean? @Dogknox20, you think it means Jesus has a GOD?? when it says, "THY GOD"? Even so, American Standard Version says, "You loved rectitude and hated wickedness; for this reason God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of joy beyond your fellows,” God anointed Jesus? The God of Jesus anointed him? Why yes, it says that Jesus' God ANOINTED HIM. my, oh my, isn't that interesting, DogKnox20. So Jesus has a God. "his God." Jesus has a God, @Dogknox20? Yup, that's what it says...Now perhaps later you can work on what obeisance and worship really means. -- Have a good one!

Frank Goad said:

In 2 Corinthians 5:10.Paul says we all must appear before the judgment seat of christ.For anything good or bad done.While in the body.Also in Acts 7:54-59.While being stoned to death stephen sees jesus in heaven and asks him to receive his spirit.I think this matches 2 Corinthians 5:10.What do you think?

Here is all the bible passages.I referenced:

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 5:10 - King James Version

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 7:54-59 - King James Version

And I got all the passages from here: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

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the question you need to ask is 'what did Stephen believe the spirit was"

He was a hebrew speaker. He would have uttered those words in his mother tongue. In this mother tongue of hebrew, the word for 'spirit' is RUACH

What does Ruach mean in its original form?


The answer to that question will provide the answer to your original question. Steven was the one who said it so its important to know what HE was thinking when he said it.

tigger2 I hope all is well...
Christians believe Jesus is God!
Christians believe

John 1:1
Out of 61 translations in "Bible Gateway" an online bible... NOT ONE of these 61 interpretations of John 1:1 has written "the word was "A" God!"
Clearly the NWT is not a correct interpretation. It is NOT a Christian bible!

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

tigger2 Jesus tells Thomas (above)... The Christians coming after him are "Blessed"... Because they will have believed just has, he has but have not seen Jesus! Clearly.....

tigger2 clearly people who reject Jesus as "Lord & God" will NOT be Blessed!

Dogknox20 said:

tigger2 I hope all is well...
Christians believe Jesus is God!
Christians believe

John 1:1
Out of 61 translations in "Bible Gateway" an online bible... NOT ONE of these 61 interpretations of John 1:1 has written "the word was "A" God!"
Clearly the NWT is not a correct interpretation. It is NOT a Christian bible!

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

tigger2 Jesus tells Thomas (above)... The Christians coming after him are "Blessed"... Because they will have believed just has, he has but have not seen Jesus! Clearly.....

tigger2 clearly people who reject Jesus as "Lord & God" will NOT be Blessed!

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" John 1:1 "
Friend @Dogknox20 "Religion :Catholic", please

Who wrote these archaic/ambiguous/unclear/inexact words of John 1:1, please?
(Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah did not speak these, therefore, the catholic red letter Bible has not colored these in red, please:
" THE HOLY BIBLE:
THE DOUAY-RHEIMS TRANSLATION



The first English Version
used by the Roman Catholic Church
since A.D. 1582.(* With the words of Jesus in red.)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.

Right?

Regards

paarsurrey said:

" John 1:1 "
Friend @Dogknox20 "Religion :Catholic", please

Who wrote these archaic/ambiguous/unclear/inexact words of John 1:1, please?
(Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah did not speak these, therefore, the catholic red letter Bible has not colored these in red, please:
" THE HOLY BIBLE:
THE DOUAY-RHEIMS TRANSLATION

The first English Version
used by the Roman Catholic Church
since A.D. 1582.(* With the words of Jesus in red.)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.

Right?

Regards

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paarsurrey I hope all is well... Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
I must point out the "Holy Catholic Church" made the bible! There were many letters kicking around that were said to be the "Words of God", but no one knew for sure what was truly "Inspired words of God" and what was not! It was the one and ONLY Catholic Church with the help of God the Holy Spirit that decided what was truly inspired words of God and what letters were not! Then she (The Church Jesus established) put all the Inspired words of God into one book she named "The Bible"! The Church was established and came before the bible!

The words of God found in the Gospel of John are Gods words, none other! You are forced to reject the scriptures because you reject what you read in the scriptures!
The Gospel of John can be trusted to be God' words because it is scripture! FACT: ALL Scriptures are inspired words of God! Right?

paarsurrey John wrote "The Word was God" so it is thus true!
John wrote: The Word (God) became flesh and lived among man; thus, it is true! Right?

................ God is Spirit!....................
The Father is Spirit
The Word is Spirit... The Word was God
The Holy Spirit is Spirit

paarsurrey John 14 The Word became flesh! Right?

Jesus said to Thomas... "You believe because you have seen me; But Christians coming after you will be blessed because they will believe as you do "My Lord & God" but they will not have seen me!" THUS............

paarsurrey thus you are NOT blessed.... right? You Do NOT believe as Christians, you reject Jesus is "Lord & God"! You do NOT believe as Thomas believed! Right?

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Dogknox20 said:

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paarsurrey I hope all is well... Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
I must point out the "Holy Catholic Church" made the bible! There were many letters kicking around that were said to be the "Words of God", but no one knew for sure what was truly "Inspired words of God" and what was not! It was the one and ONLY Catholic Church with the help of God the Holy Spirit that decided what was truly inspired words of God and what letters were not! Then she (The Church Jesus established) put all the Inspired words of God into one book she named "The Bible"! The Church was established and came before the bible!

The words of God found in the Gospel of John are Gods words, none other! You are forced to reject the scriptures because you reject what you read in the scriptures!
The Gospel of John can be trusted to be God' words because it is scripture! FACT: ALL Scriptures are inspired words of God! Right?

paarsurrey John wrote "The Word was God" so it is thus true!
John wrote: The Word (God) became flesh and lived among man; thus, it is true! Right?

................ God is Spirit!....................
The Father is Spirit
The Word is Spirit... The Word was God
The Holy Spirit is Spirit

paarsurrey John 14 The Word became flesh! Right?

Jesus said to Thomas... "You believe because you have seen me; But Christians coming after you will be blessed because they will believe as you do "My Lord & God" but they will not have seen me!" THUS............

paarsurrey thus you are NOT blessed.... right? You Do NOT believe as Christians, you reject Jesus is "Lord & God"! You do NOT believe as Thomas believed! Right?

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

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" the "Holy Catholic Church" made the bible"

Thanks for admitting that " Catholic Bible" is made by the Hellenist Pauline Church (of dying rising deity), and it has nothing to do with Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah and his teachings, please, right?

Regards

paarsurrey said:

" the "Holy Catholic Church" made the bible"

Thanks for admitting that " Catholic Bible" is made by the Hellenist Pauline Church (of dying rising deity), and it has nothing to do with Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah and his teachings, please, right?

Regards

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paarsurrey Christians believe "Jesus is God"! Christians believe in One God we believe in the Trinity!

Jesus is the "God/man!" There was NO New Testament until the Catholic Church made her bible! The Old Testament was decided by the Catholic Church; She ALONE decided what was "God' words" and what to reject!
The Bible was made by the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. None other!

Frank Goad said:

This got me thinking.Why did paul say Jesus does the judging from his judgment seat.If stephen saw God on the throne.And not Jesus?Does Jesus have a different judgment seat.That he just didn't see?

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In the Acts of the Apostles, by the Evangelist Luke, we find an account -substantially historical but embellished with legend- of the execution in Jerusalem of the first Christian martyr, the Hellenist Stephen, who was said - in words echoing Jesus - to have been "using blasphemous language against Moses and against God...against this Holy Place and the Law." In his defense speech, probably edited by Luke himself on the basis of the material, Stephen gives a general description of Israel's salvation history from the call of Abraham to the prophets and as a justification of his Christian faith, appeals expressly to "the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob," who appeared to Moses. Only in the last two sentences does he mention - without naming him - the murder of Jesus. Immediately after the condemnation - just before his own death - he had a vision: "Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God's right hand. ' I can see heaven thrown open', he said, 'and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." Here Father, Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned together, or - as Luke puts it - God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is at his side, in Stephen himself. The invisible force and power proceeding from God fills him entirely and thus opens his eyes: in the Spirit, heaven is shown to him. But God himself remains hidden. Only - quite in the Old Testament sense - his "glory" (Hebrew kabod, Greek doxa) is visible: God's brightness and power, the brilliance of the light that proceeds from him. But Jesus does not sit: he stands, not of course in front of God but at his right hand: that is, in the same power and glory. As Son of God exalted and taken up into God's eternal life, he is representative of God and at the same time as man representative of men.

pearl said:

In the Acts of the Apostles, by the Evangelist Luke, we find an account -substantially historical but embellished with legend- of the execution in Jerusalem of the first Christian martyr, the Hellenist Stephen, who was said - in words echoing Jesus - to have been "using blasphemous language against Moses and against God...against this Holy Place and the Law." In his defense speech, probably edited by Luke himself on the basis of the material, Stephen gives a general description of Israel's salvation history from the call of Abraham to the prophets and as a justification of his Christian faith, appeals expressly to "the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob," who appeared to Moses. Only in the last two sentences does he mention - without naming him - the murder of Jesus. Immediately after the condemnation - just before his own death - he had a vision: "Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God's right hand. ' I can see heaven thrown open', he said, 'and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." Here Father, Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned together, or - as Luke puts it - God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is at his side, in Stephen himself. The invisible force and power proceeding from God fills him entirely and thus opens his eyes: in the Spirit, heaven is shown to him. But God himself remains hidden. Only - quite in the Old Testament sense - his "glory" (Hebrew kabod, Greek doxa) is visible: God's brightness and power, the brilliance of the light that proceeds from him. But Jesus does not sit: he stands, not of course in front of God but at his right hand: that is, in the same power and glory. As Son of God exalted and taken up into God's eternal life, he is representative of God and at the same time as man representative of men.

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" but embellished with legend "

Isn't the clause" but embellished with legend " an admission that the Gospels and other books of the NT were embellished with legends by the Hellenist Paulines that has got nothing to do with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah and his teachings, please? Right?

Regards
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Note : NT-Bible or the Gospels, one gets to know, are neither:

1. written by (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah
2. nor spoken by him
3. nor authored by him
4. nor dictated by him to any person. Right?

paarsurrey said:

Isn't the clause" but embellished with legend " an admission that the Gospels and other books of the NT were embellished with legends by the Hellenist Paulines that has got nothing to do with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah and his teachings, please? Right?

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Before I reply to your question you need to clarify for me what your problem is with Hellenism, which is a designation for Greek speaking Jews. Greek was the prominent language spoken.
So prominent that Hebrew Scripture was translated to Greek Septuagint. The execution of Steven, a Hellenist Jew, by non-Hellenist Jews.

Dogknox20 said:

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Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
What scriptures are twisted? Scriptures.. "Jesus built on ROCK not on sand!" The CHURCH Jesus constructed will never fail!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH Christians to the very end of the world!

Arius WAS a Christian until he rejected what Christians have always believed... THEN...
YoursTrue then Christians rejected Arius as a False Teacher; it stands to reason all who believe as Arius today are NOT Christian!

YoursTrue FACT.. Christians believe Jesus is God! Always have believed Jesus is God!
Fact.. Christians use the "Cross" as their symbol of "Christianity" FACT: You see a person making "the sign of the cross" you know instantly the person is a Christian! You see a building with a "Cross" on it you know instantly it is Christian Church!
It was by the CROSS that man was saved!

The scriptures are very clear.. Jesus is God... Christians believe in "ONE" (1) God not the many gods as the JW's believe!
FACT: The JW's added the letter "A" to their scripturas to say there are many gods NOT just one! NOT.....
YoursTrue not one Christian translation has the letter "A" added to John 1:1! Anti-Christian JW's believe in many God'!

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Don’t the klu klux klan call themselves :

• “White Christian Brotherhood”?

It would seem then that simply using the title ‘Christian’ does not mean you believe in Christ Jesus!!

Soapy said:

Don’t the klu klux klan call themselves :

• “White Christian Brotherhood”?

It would seem then that simply using the title ‘Christian’ does not mean you believe in Christ Jesus!!

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Soapy a lot of the KKK in the past were Southern Baptists! Yes, Baptists believe Jesus is God! Southern Baptists are Christians.... The KKK is an evil with Satan as their leader!
Catholics are Christians we are sinners... The Holy Catholic Church is chock full to the rafters with sinners... Sinners need saving!

Christians believe in the Trinity: Christians believe Jesus is God! Arius was a Christian until he rejected Christian belief!
Christians use the Cross as their symbol of Christianity... You see a building with a cross on it or you see someone make the sign then you know instantly they are Christian!
It was by the Cross that we were saved... Jesus destroyed death from the cross and he restored life! Christians revere the cross it is our symbol of love!
The second-century apologist Justin Martyr eloquently described the crossbeams used to crucify Jesus (Dialogue with Trypho, 40.) In the third century, Tertullian said that Christians used the Greek letter tau, or “T,” as a sign of the cross (Tertullian, Ad nationes, 1.11).

Bible scholar Larry Hurtado has even shown how Christian writers in the second century combined the Greek letters for T and R in order to create a symbol that represented the crucifixion called a staurogram (The Earliest Christian Artifacts: Manuscripts and Christian Origins, 1354-154).

Soapy Christians have always believed it was the CROSS that Jesus died on!
. The second president of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Joseph Rutherford, taught, “The cross of Christ is the greatest pivotal truth of the divine arrangement, from which radiate the hopes of men.”[1] It was not until the late 1930s that Rutherford changed the Witnesses’ position on this issue.

Dogknox20 said:

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Soapy a lot of the KKK in the past were Southern Baptists! Yes, Baptists believe Jesus is God! Southern Baptists are Christians.... The KKK is an evil with Satan as their leader!
Catholics are Christians we are sinners... The Holy Catholic Church is chock full to the rafters with sinners... Sinners need saving!

Christians believe in the Trinity: Christians believe Jesus is God! Arius was a Christian until he rejected Christian belief!
Christians use the Cross as their symbol of Christianity... You see a building with a cross on it or you see someone make the sign then you know instantly they are Christian!
It was by the Cross that we were saved... Jesus destroyed death from the cross and he restored life! Christians revere the cross it is our symbol of love!
The second-century apologist Justin Martyr eloquently described the crossbeams used to crucify Jesus (Dialogue with Trypho, 40.) In the third century, Tertullian said that Christians used the Greek letter tau, or “T,” as a sign of the cross (Tertullian, Ad nationes, 1.11).

Bible scholar Larry Hurtado has even shown how Christian writers in the second century combined the Greek letters for T and R in order to create a symbol that represented the crucifixion called a staurogram (The Earliest Christian Artifacts: Manuscripts and Christian Origins, 1354-154).

Soapy Christians have always believed it was the CROSS that Jesus died on!
. The second president of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Joseph Rutherford, taught, “The cross of Christ is the greatest pivotal truth of the divine arrangement, from which radiate the hopes of men.”[1] It was not until the late 1930s that Rutherford changed the Witnesses’ position on this issue.

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Just making a point about people or organisations calling themselves ‘Christian’.

• JW can call themselves ‘Christian’;
• Trinitarians can call themselves ‘Christian’;
• Mormons can call themselves ‘Christians’;
• Christadelphians can call themselves ‘Christians’;
• Oneness Apostolics can call themselves ‘Christians’…!

All these organisations claim to be ‘Followers of Christ’ … ‘Christians’!

But that cannot be true. Jesus Christ taught one way to God… not many ways….

Perhaps there should be a word meaning: ‘Believers in Christ’?

But if Jesus is ‘God’ as some and in fact most organisations believe, then why believe in TWO persons - why not just believe in ONE: in GOD??

Perhaps it’s because though they claim to believe that Jesus is God they cannot CONFESS it as so and must claim to believe in Jesus only… but they cannot say that either since they already proclaim that Jesus is God…

Point of fact: What are they believing in Jesus as : Man or God?

See! Confusion reigns when you start opening the can of worms that trinity and other irreverent beliefs claim as their doctrine!!!

Jesus was a man born hoy; sinless; righteous and who was made glorious by the anointing BY GOD with HIS Spirit.

It is by this SPIRIT that the glorified man, Jesus, now ‘Christ’, was SENT BY GOD to do good, just as GOD SPOKE in Isaiah 42:1.

Jesus Christ, therefore, being man, allows us to follow him; believe in him; and for him to show us the way TO GOD: to act as the mediator (sinable but yet sinless) between SINFUL MAN and UNSINABLE GOD… to bring us to glory just as he achieved glory through sinless righteous and holy works in the name of his Father and God!

Soapy said:

Just making a point about people or organisations calling themselves ‘Christian’.

• JW can call themselves ‘Christian’;
• Trinitarians can call themselves ‘Christian’;
• Mormons can call themselves ‘Christians’;
• Christadelphians can call themselves ‘Christians’;
• Oneness Apostolics can call themselves ‘Christians’…!

All these organisations claim to be ‘Followers of Christ’ … ‘Christians’!

But that cannot be true. Jesus Christ taught one way to God… not many ways….

Perhaps there should be a word meaning: ‘Believers in Christ’?

But if Jesus is ‘God’ as some and in fact most organisations believe, then why believe in TWO persons - why not just believe in ONE: in GOD??

Perhaps it’s because though they claim to believe that Jesus is God they cannot CONFESS it as so and must claim to believe in Jesus only… but they cannot say that either since they already proclaim that Jesus is God…

Point of fact: What are they believing in Jesus as : Man or God?

See! Confusion reigns when you start opening the can of worms that trinity and other irreverent beliefs claim as their doctrine!!!

Jesus was a man born hoy; sinless; righteous and who was made glorious by the anointing BY GOD with HIS Spirit.

It is by this SPIRIT that the glorified man, Jesus, now ‘Christ’, was SENT BY GOD to do good, just as GOD SPOKE in Isaiah 42:1.

Jesus Christ, therefore, being man, allows us to follow him; believe in him; and for him to show us the way TO GOD: to act as the mediator (sinable but yet sinless) between SINFUL MAN and UNSINABLE GOD… to bring us to glory just as he achieved glory through sinless righteous and holy works in the name of his Father and God!

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Soapy you are mixed up.

God became man! When Jesus became a man the "Word" became flesh and live with us!
The word created all things.... The Word IS God!
Revelation 4:11
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

God is perfect ONLY God is perfect! Thus God cannot die he has NO sins! Jesus rose from the dead because he is PERFECT! ONLY God is perfect!

Christians believe "Jesus is God"! Christians believe in "ONE GOD"!
One God three persons... Christians believe in the trinity! God took on flesh God lived with us on earth!
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

pearl said:

Before I reply to your question you need to clarify for me what your problem is with Hellenism, which is a designation for Greek speaking Jews. Greek was the prominent language spoken.
So prominent that Hebrew Scripture was translated to Greek Septuagint. The execution of Steven, a Hellenist Jew, by non-Hellenist Jews.

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" Hellenism "

Did Jesus ever say in an unequivocal, straightforward and unambiguous manner anything supporting Hellenism, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in this connection, please, right?
Jesus was never a Hellenist and never believed in a “ dying, rising, ascending deity”, right?

Isn't it an accusation on Jesus from one that Jesus was a Hellenist and or Jesus ever supported Hellenism, right?

Regards
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Note: "Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross", one gets to know from many clues in the Gospels itself, please. Right?

paarsurrey said:

Did Jesus ever say in an unequivocal, straightforward and unambiguous manner anything supporting Hellenism, please? Right?

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He certainly was familiar with it. The story of Jesus in the Temple reading from Scripture more than likely it was the Septuagint that He read from. If He grew up in Galilee, with His father a carpenter they more than likely spoke Greek. Hellenism was the culture He grew up in.

paarsurrey said:

Jesus was never a Hellenist and never believed in a “ dying, rising, ascending deity”, right?

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As I have stated before, what we read all through Christian Scripture was decades after Jesus' D/R. During which time the followers of Jesus experienced and believed in the risen Jesus, this is their faith practiced before the additional narrative. It raises the question; how much did Jesus know? Jesus was wholly divine AND wholly human in which is includes ignorance.
Remember we know nothing of Jesus from the time he was 12 or so and the beginning of his ministry, the missing years.

Frank Goad said:

What does this mean?

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what does it mean to be taken .have you ever taken a deer or a fish ? in such case you killed it .
then there is Ps 91 :7
clearly someone gets killed, taken out of the way.
then there is matthew 5:5 they are the ones that dont get killed off ,they inherit the earth .

At 2 Corinthians 5:8, Paul says: “We are of good courage and are well pleased rather to become absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord.” Some believe that these words refer to an intermediate state of waiting. Such ones refer also to Jesus’ promise to his faithful followers that he was going to prepare a place in which to ‘receive them home to himself.’ But when would such prospects be realized? Christ said that it would be when he ‘came again’ in his future presence. (John 14:1-3) Similarly, at 2 Corinthians 5:1-10, Paul said that the hope common to anointed Christians was to inherit a heavenly dwelling. This would come about, not through some presumed immortality of the soul, but through a resurrection during Christ’s presence. (1 Corinthians 15:23, 42-44)