Leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK

Altfish said:

I hate to quote 'Experts' rather than Farage or Michael Gove but ...

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I am not getting this. The Bank of England wanted to own the ECB stakes and remain outside of the Eurozone?
Did they want to exploit us Southern Europeans?
If the answer is yes, then Brexit has been absolutely rightful and just.

Altfish said:

We might be ok BUT we will not be as good as France, Germany and most of the EU. We have voted to impose sanctions on ourselves.

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Germany is struggling to find skilled workers and not as powerful as you may think,France is at its weakest since I can remember,Macron is hogtied by the left and right,he does realise though that Europe needs to stand together and his plan was outside of the EU.

Estro Felino said:

I am not getting this. The Bank of England wanted to own the ECB stakes and remain outside of the Eurozone?
Did they want to exploit us Southern Europeans?
If the answer is yes, then Brexit has been absolutely rightful and just.

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We voted to leave regardless of reasons,some people want to rejoin but what would that look like,my best bet is they wouldn’t want us back,it’s done and in the past,even labour agrees,Starmer made that clear so move on.

England my lionheart said:

Germany is struggling to find skilled workers and not as powerful as you may think,France is at its weakest since I can remember,Macron is hogtied by the left and right,he does realise though that Europe needs to stand together and his plan was outside of the EU.

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And we are worse than both

England my lionheart said:

We voted to leave regardless of reasons,some people want to rejoin but what would that look like,my best bet is they wouldn’t want us back,it’s done and in the past,even labour agrees,Starmer made that clear so move on.

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If we get rid of the three-headed beast (the Troika) then the EU can re-become a nice clean place and Britain will be allowed to re-join.
The three heads are the EC, the ECB and the IMF.

Estro Felino said:

If we get rid of the three-headed beast (the Troika) then the EU can re-become a nice clean place and Britain will be allowed to re-join.
The three heads are the EC, the ECB and the IMF.

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One day we need (and I think we will have, in 20 or 30 years or so) a democratic revolution that dethrones the commission and gives power to the parliament, where it should be.

Heyo said:

One day we need (and I think we will have, in 20 or 30 years or so) a democratic revolution that dethrones the commission and gives power to the parliament, where it should be.

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Twenty years is a very realistic number.

Altfish said:

And we are worse than both

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In what way?.

Estro Felino said:

If we get rid of the three-headed beast (the Troika) then the EU can re-become a nice clean place and Britain will be allowed to re-join.
The three heads are the EC, the ECB and the IMF.

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Agreed,they are all about the money and the power it provides,would be a difficult task though.

Heyo said:

One day we need (and I think we will have, in 20 or 30 years or so) a democratic revolution that dethrones the commission and gives power to the parliament, where it should be.

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That’s optimistic imo.

England my lionheart said:

In what way?.

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Losing trade with Europe
Losing financial services to Paris, Amsterdam and Hamburg
British companies moving to Europe or closing

Graph from Financial Times

"The UK's economy is performing worse than other major nations and is smaller than it was before the Covid pandemic.

...the UK also faces significant labour supply challenges due to it being more difficult for small businesses to trade with Europe or recruit workers due to Brexit, which ended freedom of movement for EU citizens coming to the UK and vice versa.

The biggest regulatory barriers facing businesses today are based on British laws, created by a British Parliament, and administered by British regulators,"

Sunkissed uplands? Got our country back? What a crock.

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Yerda said:

A lot of businesses who traded with the contininet now have trade barriers in place that mean they can't compete and sometimes can't get stuff through customs.

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Yep.

I live in Belgium. I actually used to rather regularly order stuff online from the UK. Sometimes because it was cheaper, other times because of exclusivity.

As time went on since Brexit, I can tell you that that has come to a full stop.
It's just no longer interesting to do so. It's become more expensive AND shipping takes longer.

So my euro's no longer find their way to UK companies.

And I know a lot of people in the same boat.

It's simply no longer in our best interest to buy there. We have no incentive anymore.
To much of a bother and / or too expensive.

The other day we were shopping for holiday cards to send out come Christmas time. Out of habit, we just use search engines and end up where we end up. We found some cool cards and decided to order, only to find out it was in the UK. It automatically was cast aside and not considered an option. We had too many bad experiences already.

So we just settled on another card from a German webshop.

These are little things, but it's very telling.

These aren't ideological decisions we are making.
Not buying online from China - THAT is an ideological decision on my part.
The UK? Nope. I no longer buy there for the same reason I don't buy from the US. Too much hassle. Too expensive to ship / import. Simply no longer worth it.

It's a shame. But it is what it is. I didn't choose for it to be so.

Not a disaster for these lying tossers.

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ChristineM said:

A parliamentary petition,

We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit
The benefits that were promised if the UK exited the European Union have not been delivered, so we call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry to assess the impact that Brexit has had on this country and its citizens

It is time that the people of this country were told the truth about Brexit, good or bad. We deserve to know how Brexit is impacting on trade, the economy, opportunities for young people and how it has affected the rights of individuals. This can only be done by an independent Public Inquiry, free from ideology and the opinions of vested interests.

Petition: We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit

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Obfuscation,Lies more lies and statistics that is all we will get.Unless of course religious forums were to do the Inquiry

Altfish said:

So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)

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To right. Putin did to a degree help slightly nudge UK to leave.The Russians openly admit this.Trump looks presidential and is smart guy.However he cannot match people like Putin who are much smarter.If Putin yells fetch.Trump will and did tell UK to leave.Difficult to gauge the effect of small nudges like this.

Altfish said:

So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)

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THE TRIUMPH or fall of the Euro whenever will answer your query.