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Leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK

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Altfish

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So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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A parliamentary petition,

We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit
The benefits that were promised if the UK exited the European Union have not been delivered, so we call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry to assess the impact that Brexit has had on this country and its citizens

It is time that the people of this country were told the truth about Brexit, good or bad. We deserve to know how Brexit is impacting on trade, the economy, opportunities for young people and how it has affected the rights of individuals. This can only be done by an independent Public Inquiry, free from ideology and the opinions of vested interests.

Petition: We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
A parliamentary petition,

We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit
The benefits that were promised if the UK exited the European Union have not been delivered, so we call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry to assess the impact that Brexit has had on this country and its citizens

It is time that the people of this country were told the truth about Brexit, good or bad. We deserve to know how Brexit is impacting on trade, the economy, opportunities for young people and how it has affected the rights of individuals. This can only be done by an independent Public Inquiry, free from ideology and the opinions of vested interests.

Petition: We call upon the Government to hold a Public Inquiry into the impact of Brexit
Signed
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)
The irony is that the Labour suits used the issue of rejoining in 2019 to asssure that we got a hard Brexit and a full-blown-lunatic tory government under Johnson. Now that the public opinion is changing they're quiet as mice. What does this tell you about these people?

The referendum campaigns were an affront to democratic decision making. I would really like Britain to have a proper national conversation about the issue. With all the facts and not just tabloid screeching about too many Polish people in Tesco or "back the EU or you're racist". A full breakdown of why what we stand to gain and lose from membership, why we should or shouldn't want it. What we give and recieve as individuals, businesses, communities, regions and at national level. How the laws and commitments affect us. How the single market works and the implications of being in or out. What freedom of movement entails. Town hall discussions. Conventions. Local, regional and national citizens assemblies. Etcetera.

But this is a pipe dream. UK politics is ruined and it is likely we'll be locked out by bull**** artists or ****efested back in by centrists managers without a sensible word ever being said on the matter.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
What are the tangible consequences of leaving the EU?
A lot of businesses who traded with the contininet now have trade barriers in place that mean they can't compete and sometimes can't get stuff through customs. Small companies have been crushed by this.

Brits can no longer freely move around the EU for work or study or just for a change. (I was looking at a soccer data analytics course at Upssala university recently and it is free to EU students but pricey for others).

We've lost an incredible number of highly qualified tradespeople and professionals who are no longer free to live here.

We've had to negotiate trade deals with other countries that we'd had an automatic deal in place with as part of a huge trading bloc. Now we are at a massive relative disadvantage. By all acounts we're being shafted.

We're a laughing stock.

None of the claimed benefits appear to have materialised.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I have been following Brexit since early 2019. Several times I stood surprised that the British people had allowed that nonsense to go unchallenged to such a degree. In retrospect, from the start the Brexit discourse seemed to be half outright lies, half silly attachment to exceptionalist fantasies.

From my perspective, back at the time when Theresa May was reduced to repeatedly telling the House of Commons that their proposals just could not be accepted by the EU, we had to be witnessing the first steps of a return to sanity. Surely the British would not allow that silly destructiveness to go much further ahead.

Now? I am reduced to taking refuge in Schadenfreude and being honestly uncertain on whether British politics are more insane than Brazilian or vice versa.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The irony is that the Labour suits used the issue of rejoining in 2019 to assure that we got a hard Brexit and a full-blown-lunatic tory government under Johnson.

They did? I don't remember that. I do remember that they were not in power at the time.

So what are you talking about here? How would Labour be responsible for the Tories' plans?


Now that the public opinion is changing they're quiet as mice. What does this tell you about these people?

That they need popular support if they hope to win elections and form a government, and there is still far too much sympathy for Brexit at least as an abstract concept?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
What are the tangible consequences of leaving the EU?
Listing them is a formidable task and not entirely uncontroversial, but these come to mind:

Lessened or outright blocked access to all kinds of resources and opportunities, such as Erasmus and the Single Market.

Loss of reputation and face, as ever increasingly ludicrous claims were made in order to either justify or implement a particularly short-sighted form of Brexit.

Increased bureaucracy and expenses, as several businesses now have to deal with duties that simply did not exist while the UK were an EU member.

Significant (and, I have to assume, increasing) loss of qualified workers and whole enterprises for various reasons, among them the practical need to relocate some of their jobs to EU countries in order to make continued business possible.
 

Stevicus

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Staff member
Premium Member
A lot of businesses who traded with the contininet now have trade barriers in place that mean they can't compete and sometimes can't get stuff through customs. Small companies have been crushed by this.

Brits can no longer freely move around the EU for work or study or just for a change. (I was looking at a soccer data analytics course at Upssala university recently and it is free to EU students but pricey for others).

We've lost an incredible number of highly qualified tradespeople and professionals who are no longer free to live here.

We've had to negotiate trade deals with other countries that we'd had an automatic deal in place with as part of a huge trading bloc. Now we are at a massive relative disadvantage. By all acounts we're being shafted.

We're a laughing stock.

None of the claimed benefits appear to have materialised.

It's sometimes hard to fathom for me, at least as an outsider looking from across the pond. From what I've heard from various Europeans (not just here on RF), the EU seems to have mixed reviews. Some think it's wonderful, and others, not so much.

Around the same time as the formation of the EU, there were those in North America pushing NAFTA and envisioning a continental/regional economy patterned after the EU, even proposing a common currency, the Amero. There were those who even envisioned AFTA, a unified open trading bloc encompassing the Americas and the entire Western Hemisphere. I actually thought this idea had some promise, but only if it were a democratic-socialist economic structure - which the Powers That Be would never go for.

But in America, as well as in many other countries, there seems to be an underlying resistance to the idea of a "global economy" or any kind of unified "world government," regardless of what form it might take. I myself have mixed views on this, although I have to concede that ultimately, humanity's only hope for survival is to eventually unify in some form or another. I'm just not sure how that would be done or what form it should take.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)
Brexit was passed on the basis of nativism, not sound economics, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.
 
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