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Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
Age isn't a source. I'm sorry, but it's not. *shrug*
I wish you Christians could see yourselves the way others see you. We don't see your love. We see your hate. We see you flinging insults at us, wishing for our death (which, I realize you specifically did not do, but you're fellow Christians have, and to be fair, you're quoted Bible verses that call for my death). We see you showing up to protest us, with filthy signs. Youth have killed and self-harmed themselves because parents that hold your beliefs reject them, kick them out of the house, and leave them for dead. Pastors call for us to be murdered, and rejoiced when the Pulse nightclub shooting happened.
And y'all wonder why I don't like Christianity? Your entire platform is built on hate that you've warped into a perverted way of "love" that hurts people. Of course I am going to speak out against it.
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
Some people are not interested in making their views more appealing so that it "sells" better.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
My interactions with Christians are different than yours, but I still share your sentiments about them, their God, and Christianity. I had a lot of disagreements with other Christians about how they treated LGBTQ+ people during the thirty years I was a Christian myself.
There is no intention to change Scripture, but to interpret while keeping in mind that Scripture was written within a certain time and culture with limited knowledge.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
YES you are. I don't care if it stems from baha'i laws or the bible, you are slandering people.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The above is just one reason why fundamentalism is so dangerous, thus you're taking much the same course as do some in other religions as well.
It should be clear to anyone who has spent time studying theology that all scriptures in all religions also reflect secular cultural mores & folkways besides religious beliefs. For example, does the Bible speak to those in the New World back in the first century? or the Pacific Islanders, Aussies, etc.? Weren't they important to God? And what about people who lived before the emergence of Judaism and Christianity, didn't they count in God's eyes?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I was joking.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And that only tells us that you do not have rational and consistent standard for morals.
Those two words are synonyms in this case. And unjustified belief is an assumption and you have not come even close to justifying this belief. And no, I have an opinion that homosexuality is moral based upon a logically consistent morality.
I do not really need to. When it comes to human behavior it is the duty of a person that tells others "You can't do this" to come up with a justification for their beliefs. I cannot tell you that you have to wear a skirt on Tuesdays. I cannot demand that you tell support your belief that wearing slacks on Tuesday is perfectly moral behavior. Do you understand that? You are trying to tell other people how they have to live. The burden of proof is only upon you for that.
DNB
Christian
...yes, that's oblivious, ...in so many ways!
DNB
Christian
Yes, God is sovereign - but only in the sense that He knows exactly what will occur under any circumstances, and has conformed the outcomes around His will. Man creates disaster and evil, and God permits it for wisdom demands that all things, including men's hearts, must be brought to light.
God ordered the killing of nations who practiced abominable acts of depravity and evil. And, God gave them time to repent, as did Noah warn those around him. Same with the Sodomites and other wicked - God exuded an inordinate amount of patience. You, as a former Christian, were unaware of these facts?
Plus, for every perceived act of evil that one attempts to charge God with, how many acts of mercy. grace and forgiveness can you enumerate that He exacted? Christ, the man, came to offer forgiveness to all men for their sins if they repent - are you prepared to call God merciless and tyrannical due to this?
DNB
Christian
...He's worthy of it - who do you think created the universe, and offered man life and love?
Are you here, Ashoka, by your own volition?
DNB
Christian
Jesus did not perpetrate a single crime according to the charges that you just laid against the so-called 'christians'. These are hypocrites and charlatans.
Yes, the Old Testament demanded the death of homosexuals, but repentance was always available to all which lead to forgiveness. There are more acts of mercy and forgiveness on God's part in the Bible, then there are acts of wrath and condemnation.
Christ has offered all men forgiveness if they acknowledge their sins - no true Christian is preaching hate over here.
Ashoka, there is a narrow path that leads to healthy, edifying, dignified and respectable living. But, the path to consequence, in this lifetime or after, is 1,000 times wider.
We are just saying, find a better way - homosexuality is an identity crisis - the anatomy, demeaner and symbiosis of relationships all necessitate that humans abide by the laws of gender. As you can see, I'm speaking on practical terms here, applying wisdom - the Bible just underscores this axiomatic fact.
DNB
Christian
Yes, all men were created in the image of God, and all have their conscience as a monitor to determine the rectitude of their acts.
Thus, the Bible speaks to all ages and cultures. And, no, there is no folklore or mythology or fictional accounts in the Bible. ...anyone who has understood what they read would be aware of this.
Right, the "I was only following orders" excuse. There i a reason why religious people who are bigoted against gays are repulsive to moral society, and that is because it is an unjustified bias. This is especially bad when it is religious people who use God as window dressing for their intolerance. Bahai isn't exactly thriving as a religion, is it? I suggest the bigotry against gays is a deal breaker for decent people with a sound moral compass.
What an arrogant and presumptuous statement. Many on RF have examined and assessed what Baha'u'llah has written and the findings are that there are factual errors that science has discovered. The texts I have read are often long winded and rhetorical. They give advice but much of it requires accepting the basic claims it makes, which itself isn't convincing. Just my brief reading and what I have learned from others is enough of a disqualifier as being credible. There is no evidentiary reason to accept what Baha'u'llah wrote and claimed.
The question is why you don't share in this opionion. Why join a religion that targets a class of people?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is rather amazing how so many religions make a false idol of their prophets. Even though they see it again and again in other religions for some odd reason they believe that their own prophet is immune from that all too human failing of being wrong in some matters. In this case the founder of the Baha'i religion failed in his beliefs about homosexuality. That is understandable given the environment that he was raised in. And it only shows what we would expect of any human. He was not perfect. His message was better than most of his predecessors but it is still far from perfect.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Nah, that is just what some Christians believe about God.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Fair enough. What does the Baha'i God do to gays etc.?