Shadow Wolf
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What you claimed ImmortalFlame advocates is something you made up. ImmortalFlame didn't say those things. You did.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Tell me then what is made up.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So, you don't mind killing hundreds of thousands (potentially millions) of people as long as "the majority" survive.
Fascist, much?
And you do realize how pandemics work, right? By reducing infection rates, you reduce death rates and opportunities for mutations to arise. By TEMPORARILY closing down the economy, you prevent the spread. By preventing the spread, you reduce infection rates.
And that's exactly what happened. And now the economy is recovering. How do you think the economy would have fared under a pandemic that was allowed to spread without halt through the entire population for years on end?
If you had your way, America would be one massive graveyard with a single Starbucks in it.
And maybe another Starbucks.
This is just classic. "Those shockingly large death statistics are just used for shock value!"
Well... Yes. Because the death statistics are bad. Very, very bad. Hence why you can't even talk about them, save to say that simply stating them is "shocking".
Great logic, buddy. "As you can see from this graph, the number of dead vs. non-dead heavily favours the non-dead, so therefore it is perfectly justified to kill hundreds of thousands of people if it means Joe Smallbuns gets to keep running his ice cream shop for several months until all his clientele die."
You literally want to sacrifice people to benefit businesses. This logic is no different to saying you would be on favour of governments killing people and selling their organs as long as the money went to businesses.
This is logic identical to yours.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Weird information sources. And 1 of them was during the T**** admin. No wonder you're misled often.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Give me a break on that pathetic display of concern for human life.
I don't see any posts over the massive amount of deaths automobiles cause every year. Gee I wonder why that is the case?
But covid, woo hoo!!! Paint me purple and blue!
The self righteous life preservation crew yoodles from the roof tops that completely destroying people's lives and means of support is well worth the sacrifice all in the name of healthy and safety.
But cars? Meh.... that's ok.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. Not really. I stick with the actual reality around me.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So what's fake about it ?
People did go through a waking hell when the government (not just America) locked down countless businesses.
Some even went one step further.
Guwahati Entrepreneur Commits Suicide Over Lockdown Losses
Man commits suicide with no job, no food and little faith under lockdown conditions… | Bahamaspress.com
Chicago-area father speaks out after son's suicide, says lockdowns 'devastating' for young people
90-Year-Old Canadian Woman Chooses Assisted Suicide Over Facing Another Lockdown
Tell me that isn't true?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
What you claimed ImmortalFlame advocates. None of that claim is true. The government doing what it wants to people's hopes and dreams? ImmortalFlame did not say this. You made that up and claimed he said it and you can't support your claim using his own words.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Oh, I see. It's wrong to think hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths is bad, unless you also explicitly state that every other unnecessary death caused by anything else is also bad.
I will remind you of this any time you ever claim that any particular death is bad, and that you use it as a justification for making any decision which results in thousands of deaths.
"Oh, you think it's bad that I killed my father to inherit his wealth? Well, I don't see you being equally upset over all the deaths caused by medical accidents. So what I did was fine. Check and mate."
Also, when people cause death by dangerous driving, they are held accountable. The politicians whose decisions lead to nearly 200,000 deaths have not. You are against holding them to account because, bizarrely, you seem to think it's not a big deal to allow people to die as long as it protects business.
Because they were easily preventable, and were a direct result of inaction and lies by the political class.
I thought you were against that? Now suddenly deaths that are a direct result of government are a-okay?
You lost me at "self righteous life preservation crew" because I laughed so hard.
"Oooooo, those do-goody life-protecting people. How dare they want people to NOT die! It sure does churn my butter when people take steps in order to minimise loss of life in a global pandemic. Everyone should be cool like me and just let millions die for no reason whatsoever."
You are a delight. Never change.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oh there was a lot of stupidity. I do not deny that. In my state the outdoor fruit stands did not open in the spring. WTH? Shopping outdoors is safer than shopping indoors during a pandemic. The fresh air quickly dilutes the number of viruses making them far safter than indoor grocery stores. Those places should have been urged to open early instead of putting it off. I don't expect perfection from the government, but overall they did at least an adequate job.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Give me a break!
Your synopsis and justifications are exactly the same with cars, that I happen to include covid with.
At least I'm staying honest and pragmatic about it.
I don't laud one and justify the other.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I wouldn't bother. TH doesn't deal with actual arguments. He hasn't even addressed a single one of mine and just keeps moving from one bad-faith argument to the next rather than sticking to an actual principle.
Right now, we are on the "So you care about COVID deaths?? Well, why aren't you equally upset about CAR deaths?? Huh?? Got you! You phony!" stage right now. I got past that stage when I was twelve.
"Oh, you think the Hillsborough disaster was bad?? Well, Hiroshima was way worse!! I don't see you getting upset about that!!"
This is, sadly, an actual argument I used to make. I am forever going to have to carry that cringe with me.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not true. Of course giving me worthless links does not do any good. I am not fooled as easily as some of the members here.
I never blow off anything just because I disagree with it. I will not trust sources with a history of dishonesty. Why would you trust a source that has been known to lie more frequently than others? When it comes to politics if you can't find it in at least a middle of the road source it is probably false.
Oh, yeah....we weren't able to buy veggie plants.
But alcohol....readily available.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Except deaths by cars aren't viral. And regulations exist that strictly limit car use.
But I refuse to get sucked into this nonsense argument.
Ah yes, it's pragmatic to kill your population so that some small businesses can remain open.
And no, you're not honest. Because you cannot honestly believe it is okay for people to be killed if it benefits business. You just say that because you hate anything the Democrats do, regardless of rationality.
For what it's worth, I think they could have also handled it better. More assurances and support structures should have existed to help smaller businesses and employees. But what they did was still better than doing nothing.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do not go to the liquor store, well strike that. At least once and perhaps twice I have been there to buy an airplane bottle of cognac when a recipe called for it. It is a very expensive ingredient when bought that way. But a large bottle would probably go to waste. At any rate, I can understand why they did it since alcohol can be addictive and people will break the law to get it. Prohibition was tried and failed.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yes but preventive measures don't typically include wantingly destroying people's businesses and livelihoods in the process , for which I appreciate and agree with your last paragraph that we collectively could have done better to preserve things on both ends of the situation rather than just one end where carrying on things at all costs has its own particular tragedy.
Since most travel was illegal, I doubt that
bathtub gin & speakeasys would've arisen.
So the policy was stupid....can drink, but
not grow veggies....stupid, stupid, stupid.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How did they ban travel? Travel was never banned in my state. The cops were not pulling anyone over for going from here to there. It looks like some states were worse than others when it came to the lockdowns.