Aupmanyav
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But Paarsurrey, was not Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the returning Jesus, the Mahdi? How could you agree with me?
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There are other burger fans.
Should McDonald's interpret this as a validation of Culver's, Wendy's, Five Guys, and Burger King, or a simple assertion that there are other markets to exploit? There is nothing to "explain away."
The redeeming work of the Cross
firedragon
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How do you know your claims and your stories are not fake? Are you sure they are absolute? That's not scientific. Thats a pipe dream.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That energy converted into mass is what all things without any exception are, we started with physical energy. That is Brahman.
Absolutely clear and scientific, no God involved.
Absolutely clear and scientific, no God involved.
I do not have any story. Of course, Hindu mythology has many. But I am an atheist. For me, these stories are for fun and instruction. I do not consider them history.
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The point was a weak attempt, using something from their book, to break them out of the "we're the only "true" church bubble, to join together and see others as equals. Impossible to get those with a god complex to come down from thinking they are chosen while everyone else are crap.
No matter - I'm a gyros fan anyway.
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Do sheep have 9 lives?
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That is the goal of my religion, that humanity will eventually be united.
United through everyone converting to your religion? Or are you planning on changing over to whichever group becomes most popular?
What is "work of the Cross"?
It sounds like it appeals to Christians given the symbol of cross, so how will that unify non-Christians?
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Generally barely 1.
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?? The Bible is all about church, all about following the leader, all about who begat who - the origin of racism, who is privileged chosen, and who was not begotten into the right group. I don't see how anyone justifies the segregation - where it started, the racist foundation of only one special group, or where it ends - teaching everyone they are helpless cursed lost if they don't bow down to racist dictator.
Seems to discourage being responsible self-reliant adults who take care of themselves - teachings that kings and ruling class would like everyone to have.
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They seem to be weak animals, the sort dictators would appreciate.
The only real way for everyone to respect others, to end racism, to end heirarchies, is for everyone to see cats - independent self-reliant creatures who bounce back from death at least 9 times - as a better example to follow than sheep.
Colt
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Jesus established the Kingdom of Heaven, a spiritual fellowship comprised of anyone who believes in the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of ALL mankind. The "ism" of Sectarianism developed after Jesus left. It wasn't so much that Jesus wanted us to believe in him rather it was to believe with him in the god that he referred to as Father.
In my opinion the "other sheep" would be other inhabited worlds.
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To follow the guy who supposedly flooded the earth, sits back and watches kids get raped, who leaves people to starve, orchestrates wars?
Cool , looking fwd to more webb scope images.
Wildswanderer
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That's a verse referring to Jews and gentiles I believe. They would not have understood that gentiles could be saved also. It's not about different churches. But I don't believe any single denomination is the one true church. The one true church is the invisible Church, all true believers, regardless of denomination.
Colt
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In my opinion the Old Testament is vastly exaggerated. It portrays a God that's not much more than a shadow of those who wrote the scriptures.
If we are to have free will then that means God doesn't intervein.
Qwin
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The Bible has quite a few mentions of few "sheep to the slaughter." It has: be ye as child to enter heaven (or something like that). There are interpretations of the meanings by religious officialdom, and 'officialdom' and associate hierarchies, even "racism" you mention, seem to be your complaint.
Yet, your complaint about religions has a point. Religions are like walled cities. Unless you agree with their words, more or less, and probably fashions, you don't get accepted into the city. Indeed, because they claim to be gate-keepers of a faith - whatever faith that may be. It could be said then, that you're a Protestant of today. Since time-immemorial there has always been protestants, and so, you're another.
Do you then wish to eradicate religions, even hierarchies - also from time immemorial - and replace them with what? Love and fun? You don't think that hasn't also been tried, hippies being the latest. Notably Libertines before them, and there were others. That's what history's all about. Do you like icecream? What's your favourite flavour - your favourites will roughly stack up hierarchically. How about friends, who's your favourite, 2nd, 3rd... Your ultimate dream life - the structure of your favourite to less favourite will be hierarchical. Perhaps wolves and the rest of nature have it all wrong, since they're mainly structured hierarchically, just as your likes and dislikes. This means that although you may not believe in hierarchies, you use them daily, hourly, often minute to minute. You're judging me now which is comparing me with others, using the process you would use to judge racists; good to bad. I'm guessing that you're not one of those racists whom you mention. Would racists then be evil? From that can I assume that you're good - oh, perhaps not super, super good, but gooder than evil racists?
And I wonder what you would do with racists? Perhaps something they wouldn't like done to them, I suspect. Would you: leave them to starve? Orchestrate a war against them? Drown them? Or instead, be tolerant of them? Give them flowers maybe?
Alas, the history of mankind, a never ending story.
InChrist
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I am sorry you have that impression. The Bible is not about organized religion or church as you have been led to believe. The scriptures are all about Jesus Christ, the Savior and the love, grace, forgiveness, freedom, and eternal life in Him alone. When the Bible speaks of the “church” it means the body or bride of Christ made up of anyone, anywhere in the world who belong to Christ.
But I think I can understand your perspective and confusion because I was raised in the Catholic Church which claimed to be the “true church”. But I saw discrepancies and left Catholicism. Then I converted to Mormonism and was taught that this organization was the “true church”. Again, I saw and heard things that didn’t seem right. I kept looking for the true church... wherever it was. I almost joined another group claiming to be the “true church”, but I did have concerns and did not want to be deceived and join another mistaken group. I earnestly prayed and praying for God’s wisdom and direction. That’s when I realized the answer was not a church, but Jesus Christ Alone.
https://www.adamsroadministry.com/micah-wilder-testimony
By the way, Mormonism has a history of racism. I watched some of those old racist videos the church used to produce when I was a member. The Bible has been used and abused and twisted by many to justify their sins, including racism. Yet, the scriptures never endorse such attitudes or behaviors. God created one race; the human race in image.
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You can’t take 1 verse like John 10:16 and run with it, neglecting others that are related. It has to harmonize…..
Please consider Matthew 7:21 (“doing the will of the Father”) & John 13:35 (“have love among yourselves”) also.
If you’d care to read about 2 different groups “under one shepherd (Jesus)”, Matthew 25:31-40 identifies one group as Christ’s “brothers”, as different from the sheep group mentioned there.
Luke 12:32 mentions a “little flock.” Yet there’s also a “great crowd, which no man was able to number” in Revelation 7 9,10.
There’s a lot to consider!