Sheldon
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Theologians have struggled for millennia to explain this paradox, it's called theodicy.
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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Theologians have struggled for millennia to explain this paradox, it's called theodicy.
ElishaElijah
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I don’t think we will ever come to any sort of agreement unless you have a life changing encounter with God for yourself. You can’t seem to get that alot of people know God but you haven’t yet.you're not getting this are you, what is the objective difference between what you perceive as a no to a prayer, and no deity existing to answer a prayer?
When I pray and get a no to a request that’s just one part of the conversation with God. Prayer is much more than me asking for things. I think you and I see prayer a lot different.
Sheldon
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Sheldon said: ↑
Debate is the antithesis of agreement.
According to you, and you can't understand why I don't believe you apparently.
Cool story, now since you completely ignored the question, what is the objective difference between what you perceive as a no to a prayer, and no deity existing to answer a prayer?
I have had experiences similar to that which you have described, though mine differ as to degree. I do not like to admit my belief system or lack there of. I do not blame a Christian God for abuses suffered at the hands of persons or person. So much has been made of scriptures that were written by man. Churches that were established by men who demand they had a direct line to some almighty supernatural power and have the right to administer sacraments that sustain spiritual life(these Churches) are not valid.IMO
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ElishaElijah
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The question is so ridiculous and it’s like asking when your Dad said no was it the same as not having a Dad? I mean you really asked the question, and wanted an answer too. Mega
dybmh
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I think it would be good to answer the question. Pretend we're in kindergarten. How can you tell the answer is "no"?The question is so ridiculous and it’s like asking when your Dad said no was it the same as not having a Dad? I mean you really asked the question, and wanted an answer too. Mega
Sheldon
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The question is so ridiculous and it’s like asking when your Dad said no was it the same as not having a Dad? I mean you really asked the question, and wanted an answer too. Mega
Ah I see, you really don't understand the question. Well if it helps, people have objective evidence for the existence of their fathers. For one it is a biological impossibility to not have a father. So not just subjective anecdotal claims, as you have offered.
So now that your false equivalence fallacy has been dealt with, can you explain what the objective difference is between what you perceive as a no to a prayer, and no deity existing to answer a prayer? Only you seem to be tap dancing around the question.
Faulty logic. False equivalence. Loose thinking.The question is so ridiculous and it’s like asking when your Dad said no was it the same as not having a Dad? I mean you really asked the question, and wanted an answer too. Mega
ElishaElijah
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That’s true it does seem like a kindergarten question, and wasn’t a serious question now was it?
rational experiences
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In human life on gods earth as named by old men of science as the God types terms.
You either supported a holy life with natural God or......
You were a theist satanic scientist who by human technology changed gods type.
Into unnatural technology earth nuclear conversions.
So in the olden days you were either for God remaining sealed intact holy life or were a scientist using technology.
Pretty basic earth human science choice belief.
What an irradiated mind interfered with by AI feedback today believes is inconsequential to the status why a human only argument existed for or against God terms.
As it's only a humans argument.
You either supported a holy life with natural God or......
You were a theist satanic scientist who by human technology changed gods type.
Into unnatural technology earth nuclear conversions.
So in the olden days you were either for God remaining sealed intact holy life or were a scientist using technology.
Pretty basic earth human science choice belief.
What an irradiated mind interfered with by AI feedback today believes is inconsequential to the status why a human only argument existed for or against God terms.
As it's only a humans argument.
ElishaElijah
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There are plenty of fatherless children, so how about you ask a legitimate question. Does IVF count as having a Dad? Never know these days
rational experiences
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I was indoctrinated Catholic teachings afraid because of the teaching.
But lived spiritually by choice and not religious. Reviewed lots of friends and their religions.
So I stopped praying to God as I'm realistic. Instead I prayed for earths loving living light to return to heal my family. ....by mind and body.
As a psychic spiritual healer study I knew earth needed holy light to be returned. And I prayed for some answers.
So my living spiritual father. First father plus any of my spiritual deceased brothers memories updating everyday told me his conscious loving advice . Taught me.
As he invented all terms earths sciences as just a human and a man.
And he loved me. He respected me. He taught me what we needed to choose as humans to gain holy light again.
And it involved human technology and greedy rich men. Being stopped.
Hence I knew we already lost as we can't overcome greedy rich men and his want of technology. As he already thinks the thesis agrees and it's destructive.
As when a scientist theoried to build a nuclear bomb our family visions being blown to pieces was involved in that thesis.
Is why you won't win against him.
In the past if he dared to speak such evil he'd be thrown in gaol.
Why every single spiritual man teacher ever has been ignored.
But lived spiritually by choice and not religious. Reviewed lots of friends and their religions.
So I stopped praying to God as I'm realistic. Instead I prayed for earths loving living light to return to heal my family. ....by mind and body.
As a psychic spiritual healer study I knew earth needed holy light to be returned. And I prayed for some answers.
So my living spiritual father. First father plus any of my spiritual deceased brothers memories updating everyday told me his conscious loving advice . Taught me.
As he invented all terms earths sciences as just a human and a man.
And he loved me. He respected me. He taught me what we needed to choose as humans to gain holy light again.
And it involved human technology and greedy rich men. Being stopped.
Hence I knew we already lost as we can't overcome greedy rich men and his want of technology. As he already thinks the thesis agrees and it's destructive.
As when a scientist theoried to build a nuclear bomb our family visions being blown to pieces was involved in that thesis.
Is why you won't win against him.
In the past if he dared to speak such evil he'd be thrown in gaol.
Why every single spiritual man teacher ever has been ignored.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It makes an asumption; you could clear it up if you wanted to. I don't see why not.
ElishaElijah
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Well the original person asking the question said a no answer wasn’t good evidence of anything and I think so what but also shows that people seem to be ignorant of what prayer is in the first place, so that’s what I’m getting at.
Prayer is not a wishing well and not to treat God like a genie in a bottle. Like is there a secret formula
joelr
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It's a bit odd to be worried about me arguing with an imaginary person when your whole thing here is that you are having a relationship with what seems to be an imaginary demigod from old myths?
The point of this post is to point out that your treatment of people whom have left the church is very non-Christian. Judgmental, no compassion.
And if you claim to be speaking to a deity, with words, then it is a great chance to provide evidence. Ask your deity for a string of numbers.
joelr
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You already misinterpreted John 3. I'm asking, what Christian group do you belong to? You are not part of JC and his apostles because they are fictional characters from a story but also the founders. Either way you are not in that group.
The Church of Latter Day Saints has a new group of 12 apostles. They are in the version started by Joe Smith who translated an ancient record written by prophets who lived on the American continents and taught and testified of Jesus Christ.
Now Jesus and God appeared to Smith to explain all the other sects are incorrect so that's a bummer for you being in an incorrect version.
Subduction Zone
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He simply cannot understand the question. He has a natural defense mechanism that arises due to his fears.
joelr
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Wow, that's just what Muslims and Hindu say as well. But just in case your version is real, ask God for a string of numbers.
joelr
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Parents are real. They were not imaginary friends where anytime you needed something you managed to get it and then gave credit to your imaginary parents. And when you didn't get it you used this post hoc rationalization that they "can't get you everything"?
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:5-6
Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up. James 5:14-15
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
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Sounds like witchcraft.
joelr
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In this religion the common people, the poor and the needy, directly attain a more profound and personal relation to the deity. The believer loses his individual consciousness in enthusiasm and receives the divinity into himself. In moments of orgiastic ecstasy he experiences the ultimate goal of his existence, abiding fellowship with the god, who, as redeemer and savior will free him through death from the finiteness, the suffering, and the exigencies of the earthly life.
A description of the Greek Dionysus religion during the Hellenistic period. They thought the same thing.
This leaning toward a "physical" and cosmic extension of redemption is an approach to Hellenistic conceptions. Paul's representation of the believer as living and suffering in Christ, as crucified, buried, and raised with him, recalls the similar way in which the Hellenistic mystery-religions relate the believer to the dead and risen god (Attis, Osiris, Adonis).