Should The Far Right and Right Wing Media Follow Their Own Demands?

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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Didn't their own audits already reveal that they failed to count some votes in favor of Biden?

Perhaps it's time for some Republican governments to be couped by very definitely peaceful protests by people who definitely have nothing at all to do politically with the Democratic party, honest, pinky swear, and can you really call it a protest when a bunch of armed zealots just so happen to show up to listen to their favorite politician, and then rampage through the seat of government, peacefully of course?

I was watching Fox last night and they were complaining about business vaccine mandates.
Pretty ironic given Fox itself has a vaccine mandate. And a vaccine passport system for it's employees.

Fox News has a strict COVID-19 policy that includes the kind of vaccine passport Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and other right-wing hosts have railed against

tytlyf said:

I was watching Fox last night and they were complaining about business vaccine mandates.
Pretty ironic given Fox itself has a vaccine mandate. And a vaccine passport system for it's employees.

Fox News has a strict COVID-19 policy that includes the kind of vaccine passport Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and other right-wing hosts have railed against

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One can disagree with a policy while advocating against it.
That is unless you live in a country that dissent is rewarded with prison or execution.
Or in the case of Democrat elites that do not follow their own mandates.

esmith said:

One can disagree with a policy while advocating against it.

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Where do you get the idea that the Fox News management actually disagrees with their own policy?

Kooky said:

Didn't their own audits already reveal that they failed to count some votes in favor of Biden?

Perhaps it's time for some Republican governments to be couped by very definitely peaceful protests by people who definitely have nothing at all to do politically with the Democratic party, honest, pinky swear, and can you really call it a protest when a bunch of armed zealots just so happen to show up to listen to their favorite politician, and then rampage through the seat of government, peacefully of course?

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A few cases of voter fraud were prosecuted with individuals having voted who should not have voted. For example Dan Patrick's voter fraud bounty backfires as tip leads to Republican conviction

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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If you look carefully at what conservatives say, and at what they do, you'll see that they have no principles besides maintaining a social order that prioritizes their power over people outside their in-group. In other words, White Christian Nationalism. You can find compilations online, showing Fox News hosts and GOP politicians arguing opposite sides of every traditional principle, at different times, because varying the principle in that moment was the only thing that could support their actual goal of White Christian Nationalism.

Seriously, take any issue of the day, and ask yourself: what political or legislative response will favor keeping White Christians economically and politically dominant over all other groups, especially racial minorities? 99.9% of the time, that is the stance that the right wing will take in that moment.

Democracy has never been an ideal for these people, but an impediment. Equal opportunity is a threat, because people outside their in-group do not receive their equal moral consideration. You can trace this back through the civil rights era and Jim Crow, to the civil war, to the compromises made in the Constitution to taint it with slavery.

Lately, their power is slipping and they know it. They can see the writing on the wall. Almost everyone under 40 loathes the GOP, and the demise of anything recognizable as their party is a matter of inevitable generational replacement. And so we see an even greater flaunting of democratic values and Constitutional order. The following decade or so will see which happens first, either a permanent and declining minority status as the far right is cast aside by the electorate, or the overthrowing of our government in order to keep the powerful old guard in power.

The sad thing is that the rest of us would be happy to let far right people live their lives however they would like, but they simply can't extend that same courtesy to the rest of us. They've brought this renunciation on themselves.

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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I'd rather that conservatives were just less impulsive and more thoughtful. The liberal-left isn't perfect and we get stuff wrong and we do need people to call us out on things that could have bigger and more longer term impact. Even if you disagree with them, there is still value in raising issues many of us might otherwise neglect or overlook. I'd welcome some more reasoned conservative voices honestly.

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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where applicable... yes

But why is voter fraud a "far right" issue? Shouldn't it also be a far left issue, mid right and left, center, independent voter issue too?

KenS said:

where applicable... yes

But why is voter fraud a "far right" issue? Shouldn't it also be a far left issue, mid right and left, center, independent voter issue too?

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I think that's the point.

KenS said:

But why is voter fraud a "far right" issue? Shouldn't it also be a far left issue, mid right and left, center, independent voter issue too?

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No one of any political persuasion, who believes in democracy, wants to see voter fraud. The difference is the rw are using it to falsely claim significant voter fraud as a tool to hold on to power or get into power. The real motivation has zero to do with any actual significant fraud. (Together with voter suppression and gerrymandering).

(The same stunts are being tried by the rw in the UK, no doubt learnt from the US)

Secret Chief said:

No one of any political persuasion, who believes in democracy, wants to see voter fraud. The difference is the rw are using it to falsely claim significant voter fraud as a tool to hold on to power or get into power. (Together with voter suppression and gerrymandering).

(The same stunts are being tried by the rw in the UK, no doubt learnt from the US)

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I know there is a lot of tomato throwing from one side to the other with the media profiting on the sales of drama.

I let the courts sort out what is true and what is false.

The right throws out "voter fraud"
The left throws out "voter suppression".

Courts... please have your way.

KenS said:

I know there is a lot of tomato throwing from one side to the other with the media profiting on the sales of drama.

I let the courts sort out what is true and what is false.

The right throws out "voter fraud"
The left throws out "voter suppression".

Courts... please have your way.

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Um.....where have you been? The courts have reviewed and ruled on the claims of "widespread voter fraud" made by Republicans, and they've unanimously found zero evidence of it. Further, some of the lawyers who pushed these false claims are now facing legal consequences for doing so, and through the related hearings we're finding out just how made up those claims are (e.g., Giuliani admitting that his "research" consisted of looking at social media posts for a few minutes, Powell arguing that no reasonable person should have taken her claims seriously).

Yet despite these losses, Republicans continue to push the false narrative of widespread fraud and use the lie to justify restrictions to voting.

If you don't see the problem with all that, I'm not sure what to say.

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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To quote Gen Z, it’s all a giant grift. Both left and right. Although your left wing media is considered centrist in any other country.

The day any political media pundit in any country on any side actually practices what they preach wholeheartedly is the day pigs fly.

Jose Fly said:

Um.....where have you been? The courts have reviewed and ruled on the claims of "widespread voter fraud" made by Republicans, and they've unanimously found zero evidence of it. Further, some of the lawyers who pushed these false claims are now facing legal consequences for doing so, and through the related hearings we're finding out just how made up those claims are (e.g., Giuliani admitting that his "research" consisted of looking at social media posts for a few minutes, Powell arguing that no reasonable person should have taken her claims seriously).

Yet despite these losses, Republicans continue to push the false narrative of widespread fraud and use the lie to justify restrictions to voting.

If you don't see the problem with all that, I'm not sure what to say.

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I've been right here with you....

i wasn't making a judgement call... please read it in context of the poster.

KenS said:

where applicable... yes

But why is voter fraud a "far right" issue? Shouldn't it also be a far left issue, mid right and left, center, independent voter issue too?

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There's zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Since there has found to be none even when looked at by the right, to continue to push a lie is to sacrifice virtue for power.

sun rise said:

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

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There's a left side of things too you know.

Particularly the attempted federalism of our entire voting system over state voting systems.

Shouldn't sit right with people who value freedom and liberty.

sun rise said:

There's zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Since there has found to be none even when looked at by the right, to continue to push a lie is to sacrifice virtue for power.

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OK.... but that wasn't the issue you posted.

You made it sound like only the right have problems and that voter fraud issues was only a "right issue".

Just for your informations

PA Republican Who Objected to Trump’s Election Loss Has Concluded That Fraud Was Committed… By Republicans

And it wasn't a Democrat who declared that... but rather a Republican.

Voter fraud should be everyones issue.

Twilight Hue said:

There's a left side of things too you know.

Particularly the attempted federalism of our entire voting system over state voting systems.

Shouldn't sit right with people who value freedom and liberty.

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I’m sorry I have to ask, just out of curiosity.
Why is that a bad thing?
Wouldn’t that just streamline the whole process?

SomeRandom said:

I’m sorry I have to ask, just out of curiosity.
Why is that a bad thing?
Wouldn’t that just streamline the whole process?

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Because centralized systems, while admittedly efficient, more often than not turns into bad news givin enough time.