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Mercy vs Justice... Or

Which would you choose if one over the other?

  • Justice (Explain how please)

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Mercy (Release - Explain why please)

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Both (Please explain)

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • Total voters
    14
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
In this case of the murder of Robert Kennedy, it was Arabic extremism that leads Sirhan to act so wrongly, He was against American support of Israel.
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His motive has been considered not credible.
Firstly he was raised Christian. He is rumored to have connections with the CIA...and he hasnt clarified yet how he knew RFK would go through the kitchens. Who told him.
Since he won't tell us who told him, who his accomplices are, he deserves no parole.

Those people are surely dead...by now...so he is loyal to his cause.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Estro Felino said:
His motive has been considered not credible.
Firstly he was raised Christian. He is rumored to have connections with the CIA...and he hasnt clarified yet how he knew RFK would go through the kitchens. Who told him.
Since he won't tell us who told him, who his accomplices are, he deserves no parole.
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What he did belong to the past. Nothing he says or does now will make Robert come back to life.
Personally, I believe in forgiveness and mercy
 
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Ponder This

Well-Known Member
Mercy is for the repentant. Justice is for the unrepentant.

But I think what we have here isn't so much a question of the proper approach to Sirhan Sirhan's case, in which it seems clear not to grant parole, but rather a question as to the proper conduct of George Gascón, who is making some questionable changes to the existing system and who has chosen the path of not opposing parole as part of a larger agenda of re-evaluating prisoners who have served 20 years, while, at the same time, reopening 8 year old cases of officer-involved shootings. Is Gascón pursuing a consistent policy around Justice and Mercy? It doesn't seem like he is. It looks like selective justice, which is... not true justice.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Ponder This said:
Mercy is for the repentant. Justice is for the unrepentant.

But I think what we have here isn't so much a question of the proper approach to Sirhan Sirhan's case, in which it seems clear not to grant parole, but rather a question as to the proper conduct of George Gascón, who is making some questionable changes to the existing system and who has chosen the path of not opposing parole as part of a larger agenda of re-evaluating prisoners who have served 20 years, while, at the same time, reopening 8 year old cases of officer-involved shootings. Is Gascón pursuing a consistent policy around Justice and Mercy? It doesn't seem like he is. It looks like selective justice, which is... not true justice.
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Serving 10 years or 50 years. Simply setting in prison isn't rehabilitation. And that is the problem with most prisons. They don't rehabilitate, they are there just so you serve your time.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
We Never Know said:
I think you believe in god. Were they showing god mercy when they hung him upon the cross?
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No, it was not shown mercy by those people. That does not mean I today can be with mercy :)
As I say, in this form of discussion, I can only speak for what I believe, what think is the right thing to do. If others chose to do differently, that is their choice and i have to accept it :)
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Conscious thoughts said:
No, it was not shown mercy by those people. That does not mean I today can be with mercy :)
As I say, in this form of discussion, I can only speak for what I believe, what think is the right thing to do. If others chose to do differently, that is their choice and i have to accept it :)
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"I can only speak for what I believe, what I think is the right thing to do."

There is no better way to be.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Brian2 said:
I forgive because I want to be forgiven.
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I can give an example of a woman. Adele Mongelli. She killed her boyfriend because he had cheated on her and deceived her. He had a secret fiancée he was going to marry.
She committed the murder during a raptus of rage. She immediately regretted it, she called the police herself. She was jailed and freed 15 years later.
A life sentence is given to people who won't admit their guilt, who won't cooperate with justice.
 
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Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
I can give an example of a woman. Adele Mongelli. She killed her boyfriend because he cheated on her and deceived her. He had a secret fiancée he was going to marry.
She committed the murder during a raptus of rage. She immediately regretted it, she called the police herself. She was jailed and freed 15 years later.
A life sentence is given to people who won't admit their guilt, who won't cooperate with justice.
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That sounds like mercy to me and it is certainly needed in our justice system.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Brian2 said:
That sounds like mercy to me and it is certainly needed in our justice system.
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Sabrina Misseri strangled her own cousin Sarah to death. Her father exposed her.
Sabrina has never confessed her own crime.
So they gave her a life sentence.
It is how our system works.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Conscious thoughts said:
The justice (law) in this case gave him a punishment they found to be correct according to the crime, but I do believe it is possible to hold mercy and forgiveness within our hearts even for those who do something horrible as killing someone.
This only my view, so I am aware not all will agree with it.
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I also believe it is possible to hold mercy and forgiveness within our hearts even for those who do something horrible as killing someone. However, if mercy means not serving justice, that could be a problem.
In such a case, justice becomes perverted.
Justice can however, be meted out in different forms. it does not have to be one particular expectation.

So while someone may expect justice to be X, it may be Y, even though a person believes it should be X.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
nPeace said:
I also believe it is possible to hold mercy and forgiveness within our hearts even for those who do something horrible as killing someone. However, if mercy means not serving justice, that could be a problem.
In such a case, justice becomes perverted.
Justice can however, be meted out in different forms. it does not have to be one particular expectation.

So while someone may expect justice to be X, it may be Y, even though a person believes it should be X.
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Yes, I speak only from my own belief and understanding of the topic :)
 
Hermit Philosopher

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
nPeace said:
6 of RFK’s kids rip decision to parole killer Sirhan Sirhan
Sirhan Sirhan, who gunned down the presidential hopeful in a Los Angeles hotel, was successful Friday on his 16th trip to the parole board. RFK’s sons Robert Kennedy Jr. and Douglas Kennedy supported Sirhan in his request.

But later Friday, six of Kennedy’s other kids issued a statement saying they’re “devastated” by the decision.

Sirhan Bishara Sirhan is a Palestinian militant who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy.

Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of John F Kennedy, was shot by Sirhan at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, on June 5, 1968. He died the following day at Good Samaritan Hospital.

Sirhan was convicted of murder and is serving a life sentence at the Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility in San Diego County, California. On August 27, 2021, Sirhan was recommended parole by a California parole board. Prosecutors declined to participate or to oppose his release under a policy by Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón, a former police officer who took office last year after running on a reform platform.

Hmm. Hard decision?
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Though it may at times be awfully hard to accept, in the long run, mercy is justice.
The alternative is revenge.


Humbly
Hermit
 
Vee

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
nPeace said:
6 of RFK’s kids rip decision to parole killer Sirhan Sirhan
Sirhan Sirhan, who gunned down the presidential hopeful in a Los Angeles hotel, was successful Friday on his 16th trip to the parole board. RFK’s sons Robert Kennedy Jr. and Douglas Kennedy supported Sirhan in his request.

But later Friday, six of Kennedy’s other kids issued a statement saying they’re “devastated” by the decision.

Sirhan Bishara Sirhan is a Palestinian militant who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy.

Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of John F Kennedy, was shot by Sirhan at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, on June 5, 1968. He died the following day at Good Samaritan Hospital.

Sirhan was convicted of murder and is serving a life sentence at the Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility in San Diego County, California. On August 27, 2021, Sirhan was recommended parole by a California parole board. Prosecutors declined to participate or to oppose his release under a policy by Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón, a former police officer who took office last year after running on a reform platform.

Hmm. Hard decision?
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I find it hard if not impossible for humans to do true justice. There are always details people are not aware off.
I'm not familiar with this particular case, but I think to be at least close to being fair, this person's case should be treated like any other similar ones. He killed a Kennedy, but had he killed an unknown person, would parole be granted after a number of years in prison or not?
 
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