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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
It’s the way it is for me, didn’t ask for your opinion about my life and experience with God cause you haven’t a clue about such things. However I did ask you what specific proof you were looking for?
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The problem with your test is that it fails. It fails because any religion can have the same sort of success. It is not evidence of anything and only tells us that you do not know, you only believe.
 
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ElishaElijah said:
It’s the way it is for me, didn’t ask for your opinion about my life and experience with God cause you haven’t a clue about such things. However I did ask you what specific proof you were looking for?
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Subduction Zone said:
That is not the way that it works. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. The tests that they come.up with are also partly a test of their own honesty.

And please do not try to use "God says" BS. You cannot claim that until you make your case. Besides that you do not understand that verse because you do not understand its purpose or why it is there. In fact if the Bible were the Word of God such verses would not be necessary. That sort of verse is a defensive verse and is actually evidence that the Bible is not the word of god.
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You say there is no evidence for God and I told you what I found, that when I called out to God, He answered me and delivered me, has provided for our family as I have daily trusted Him. He has been faithful to us for 30 years and this is true and honest. It’s my experience and many others as well. Now I’m sorry that this hasn’t happened for you. I already told you many times. Wasn’t asking you for any kind advice.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
You say there is no evidence for God and I told you what I found, that when I called out to God, He answered me and delivered me, has provided for our family as I have daily trusted Him. He has been faithful to us for 30 years and this is true and honest. It’s my experience and many others as well. Now I’m sorry that this hasn’t happened for you. I already told you many times. Wasn’t asking you for any kind advise
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There is no reliable evidence for God. What you claim as evidence is the same thing that a Muslim claims as evidence for Allah.
To have reliable evidence you need a proper test. What you call evidence is not reliable at all.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
There is no reliable evidence for God. What you claim as evidence is the same thing that a Muslim claims as evidence for Allah.
To have reliable evidence you need a proper test. What you call evidence is not reliable at all.
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Everyone has a testimony, I’m sharing my own personal experience and it’s proof for me beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have your views, your own testimony.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
Everyone has a testimony, I’m sharing my own personal experience and it’s proof for me beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have your views, your own testimony.
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You do not understand what a proper proof is. And you have a huge amount of doubt. Your fear of learning tells us so.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

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ElishaElijah said:
You’ll have to share the text, don’t know which you’re referring to. Most of the Bible interprets itself, other verses need more study to understand what God was communicating.
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I am not referring to any specific text. I have nothing specific in mind.

Perhaps we have a different interpretation of the word “infallible” itself.

if your interpretation of the Bible is infallible, it is infallible for 100 percent of it, every verse, every topic, every jot and jittle.

So is your interpretation of the Bible infallible?


If you don’t want to answer, that is fine, but it is a simple question.
 
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fantome profane said:
I am not referring to any specific text. I have nothing specific in mind.

Perhaps we have a different interpretation of the word “infallible” itself.

if your interpretation of the Bible is infallible, it is infallible for 100 percent of it, every verse, every topic, every jot and jittle.

So is your interpretation of the Bible infallible?


If you don’t want to answer, that is fine, but it is a simple question.
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Ok
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
I’ve learned a lot, some people don’t have a clue what they’re looking for.
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Describing yourself.

You cannot think of a proper test. That is indicate of a weak faith. When a scientist has an idea and formulates a hypothesis and tests it he is showing what a true and proper faith is. He not only believes in his ideas he is willing to test them to see if they are right or not.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
There is no "the" test. And I have already explained the key factor of it. A proper test must have a reasonable chance that one will fail and one must honestly acknowledge the failure if it occurs.
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Ok great, the test was a success! I’m no longer a drug addict and alcoholic, God has completely changed my heart and mind and has given me His Spirit as proof. I have a clear conscience and totally different appetite and desires that came from Him. That’s my own proof. I tried other things before that and nothing worked, When I received Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord, I was changed that day and that was undeniable to me and those around me that have known me all my life.
 
ecco

ecco

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ElishaElijah said:
In the beginning, God’s plan
“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
After man rebelled and sinned, they brought death, curse, war, which is what you’re referencing in your verses is the result of man’s evil heart apart from God.
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Your supposedly eternal, omniscient God had all of eternity to consider how He would create man. He precisely built Adam & Eve to His exacting specifications. Being omniscient, He knew, from the beginning of eternity, that A&E would disobey Him. You consider this disobedience the reason God brought death, curse, and war.

Why do you ignore that your God knew they would disobey Him?
Why do you ignore that your God planned for them to disobey Him?
 
ecco

ecco

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ElishaElijah said:
Then Jesus comes and says the same thing among other things which are too many to post but you can read yourself:
“The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?” And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:3-8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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I asked you:
ecco said:
Please quote one thing Jesus said and then provide evidence for your claim.
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I highlighted part of my request in red this time.

All you could do was cut and paste a verse from the Bible.

You provided no evidence. Do you have any?

For example, how does "Matthew" know the conversation between the Pharisees and Jesus? What evidence can you produce to substantiate that he was there?
 
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ecco said:
Your supposedly eternal, omniscient God had all of eternity to consider how He would create man. He precisely built Adam & Eve to His exacting specifications. Being omniscient, He knew, from the beginning of eternity, that A&E would disobey Him. You consider this disobedience the reason God brought death, curse, and war.

Why do you ignore that your God knew they would disobey Him?
Why do you ignore that your God planned for them to disobey Him?
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He did a great job, everyone will see and understand everything in the end.
 
ElishaElijah

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ecco said:
I asked you:

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I highlighted part of my request in red this time.

All you could do was cut and paste a verse from the Bible.

You provided no evidence. Do you have any?

For example, how does "Matthew" know the conversation between the Pharisees and Jesus? What evidence can you produce to substantiate that he was there?
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Wasn’t concerned about that part, only God’s view on sex and marriage according to Scripture.
 
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